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Monday, January 4, 2010

Poly-WHAT????


JAN: The Boston Globe seems preoccupied with personal relationships these days, running a cover article on its G Magazine Saturday about why some spouses can forgive infidelity and others can't, and following it up with Sunday's cover story on Polyamory.

For those of you who aren't as hip as we are in Boston, polyamory is the latest. It's for people who reject monogamy in favor of multiple relationships. We aren't talking about cheaters, though, we are talking about an open acceptance, of three, four, hey even five or six, people into an adult, sexual relationship.

Generally though, it's a married couple who carry on longterm relationships with either another couple or separate boyfriends or girlfriends. Or a married couple that's allowed to still date others. Unlike Tony Soprano, you aren't allowed to lie about it. And unlike Tony Soprano, it's important to spend a lot of time intellectually just-
ifying it.

Where these people find the time, I don't know. But the more pressing question is: Could you do it??

I have married friends with a higher tolerance than I might have for a spouses' one night stand. But although I know it happens, I don't know anyone personally who would put up with a long-term affair. And even the fictional people I know who put up with it, like Carmela Soprano, all women. I don't
know any men who would stand for it.

But maybe I'm just so 2009, and this is so 2010. But how about you??? Are you hip enough?? And do you have any husbands out there who would be willing to go bowling with you and your new boyfriend?

HALLIE: First of all, it sounds like a skin disease. I saw the article about who can and can't forgive, but I missed the follow-up. As for me, boring boring boring and strictly monogamous, and I would NOT forgive, so don't even think about it. Even when I was single, I was a one at a time girl. Dumped the cheaters and never looked back.

ROBERTA: I didn't see the articles but the psychologist in me lights on the phrase "important to spend a lot of time intellectually justifying it." Because it seems quite unlikely that a second or third or fourth relationship wouldn't drain some of the life and intimacy out of the first one. Certainly there are relationships where the third party keeps the marriage in balance--like a three-legged stool. Take the girlfri

end (or boyfriend) away, and the marriage falls apart. Dr. Rebecca Butterman would say these folks might want to take a look at what they're avoiding in their marriages:).

JAN: Oh, I forgot to mention the part of the article where these people have to go to counseling to make the relationships work, or to make sure the other party doesn't feel neglected.

RHYS: I suppose there are women who like being married to a rich, powerful guy but are glad that some other woman provides the sex. I'm sure the idea appeals to a lot of men, but aren't women programmed to be monogamous? But I find it hard to picture a partnership in which both partners are happy with a boyfriend/girlfriend taking the time and affection of their spouse. On the other hand I've always enjoyed close, non-sexual friendships with men. Luckily I have a spouse who thinks it's fine if I want to go to lunch with a guy, but a couple of these friendships ended when the wife got upset and jealous.

HANK: Oh, no no no. NO. It's just--cringe-worthy. And sounds like people trying to justify something that emotionally cannot work. I mean--can you imagine? And you're so right, Jannie, who would even have time? But even if I had time, that isn't what I'd do. I'm sorry, I'm being judgmental, but its creepy, disrespectful, dishonest and impossible. Yes, pals with other people, fine.

JAN: Yes, close friendships with men are, well friendships. That's okay. They tend not to cause the same kind of havoc as say, dating. At least in my house. So tell us, is this polyamory stuff the wave of the new decade or just a reconstituted version of the sixties' free love?




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18 Comments:

Blogger Rosemary Harris said...

Why do these people have to rage on about their private lives ...(and make the rest of us jealous.) Just kidding about the jealousy part, but what ever happened to "just don't do it in the street and scare the horses"?

January 5, 2010 9:10 AM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

Ro
They actually have an organization in Boston. And one guy is looking for legal rights -- which will pretty much DO IN gay marriage for the rest of the country because it seems to validate the conservative's worst fears and argument against it.

That was my first thought when I read the article. Man, is this going to be used as ammunition.....

~jan

January 5, 2010 9:36 AM  
Blogger Jessica Conant-Park said...

I'm with Hallie; it sounds like a skin disease. And it's just weird. I mean, if you want to date around like that, don't get married. You obviously don't want to be married... you want to be promiscuous. God, on the other hand, if people want to run around acting crazy and being emotionally irresponsible (although honest) go for it. Just don't ask me to get involved or I'll clock you.

January 5, 2010 9:47 AM  
Anonymous Jeff Cohen said...

Let me put it this way: No. But that's for me. If it works for you, and everybody's happy, enjoy yourselves. And Rhys, let's not generalize--there are plenty of men, like myself, wired for monogamy.

January 5, 2010 10:05 AM  
Blogger roseduncan said...

God, it's just too much work. I have enough time fitting in sex as it is and that's with one person. Don't get me wrong, I like sex, hey I love sex, hey I adore sex who doesn't? But I also have to eat and sleep and work and well . . . live.

January 5, 2010 10:18 AM  
Anonymous Sheila Connolly said...

Good grief. It's hard enough to keep one relationship healthy and happy. How on earth can you do it with two, or three, or whatever? And think of all the time you waste discussing it with each other.

January 5, 2010 10:33 AM  
Blogger Rosemary Harris said...

Can you imagine what the "let's go to a movie" conversations are like? Probably take longer than the movie.

January 5, 2010 10:47 AM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

Hey Jeff,
So happy to hear about men wired for monogamy. You'd never know about them from watching television, or movies. Or reading books, or newspapers..... just kidding.

And Sheila, I agree. The time commitment. I tell my husband that if I were to have an affair, I'd have to give up tennis.

So sure the marriage vows and everything, but if all else fails, it's the TENNIS that's keeping me faithful!

~jan

January 5, 2010 10:48 AM  
Blogger Dina Berry said...

My first thought is that these people don't have interesting careers, young kids, or a soulmate.

January 5, 2010 10:49 AM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

I should have posted this in the main page: but here's the link to the Globe article

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2010/01/03/loves_new_frontier/

~jan

January 5, 2010 12:00 PM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

Hi Dina,
I agree. I also think they might tend to the indecisive.....

~jan

January 5, 2010 3:51 PM  
Blogger Hank Phillippi Ryan said...

And where do you go for Thanksgiving? What a mess.

January 5, 2010 4:00 PM  
Blogger Beth Groundwater said...

My response is NO WAY, JOSE! I told my husband before we married that he was getting me for life, that I don't believe in divorce. And, I don't believe in sharing either. That hunk is all mine, and all other ladies can just keep their hands off. ;-)
- Beth

January 5, 2010 4:37 PM  
Blogger Silver James said...

Can you imagine the divorce settlement or the palimony?

Unfortunately, this seems to be a mid-generation idea that apparently began in a some of the geek subcultures, but don't get me started there. I had to do some research. There wasn't enough eye bleach. Seriously! But there are growing numbers of that generation who believe co-habbing with a group and exchanging sexual favors group-wide is the way to go.

Me? The night my husband asked me to marry him, I took him by the hand, led him to the bedroom...and showed him my .357 along with my marksman medals. I informed him that I didn't believe in divorce, that I would be a widow first.

We celebrate number 27 this coming summer. :D

January 5, 2010 6:33 PM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

I agree Beth.
Can you imagine that feeling of ALWAYS competing?

Ick

~jan

January 5, 2010 6:34 PM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

Silver James,

You are right about the Geek thing. I once did a story about a commune of people in Somerville who had some sort of covenant that they all had to sleep with each other. Turning someone down was forbidden. They all shaved their heads, but even with hair, how can I say this?? Well, they weren't the most attractive people and I thought...well in a way this is all starting to make sense.

This organization is based in Somerville, too, and based on the photos in the Globe, geek is not out of the question.

~Jan

January 5, 2010 6:41 PM  
Blogger MaxWriter said...

Whoo! I was so busy at work today I forgot to check my favorite blog. And everybody already said here what I said Sunday morning after I read the article and handed it off to Hugh: "This is too wierd, and if you ever think you're interested in it, we have a real problem!"

However: think of the fiction potential, right? Did somebody already dibs using this plot idea to justify a murder or two?

Edith

January 5, 2010 8:04 PM  
Blogger Jungle Red Writers said...

Edith,
Agreed!! Terrific motive for murder!!

It's yours!!

~jan

January 6, 2010 9:21 AM  

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