tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post4260684313143367909..comments2024-03-29T08:53:17.031-04:00Comments on Jungle Red Writers: Inside the Case of Charles Manson--a true crime investigationJungle Red Writershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-38363459946468126672018-06-08T15:15:28.681-04:002018-06-08T15:15:28.681-04:00Thanks again for inviting me to be on Jungle Red. ...Thanks again for inviting me to be on Jungle Red. I enjoyed all of your comments and questions. Hank: you deserve a special thank you for your generosity and for making this interview happen. Have a great weekend! Lis Wiehl authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028573706363268402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-46097397074547438702018-06-08T10:14:13.589-04:002018-06-08T10:14:13.589-04:00I just read one where you could argue that's t...I just read one where you could argue that's the case - the bad guy gets away. And I would say he does.<br /><br />Mary/LizLiz Millironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04919409969263609919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-74416551064036104042018-06-08T08:25:25.434-04:002018-06-08T08:25:25.434-04:00I was terrified reading this news story at the tim...I was terrified reading this news story at the time. I’d studiously avoid the Manson headlines - until I couldn’t stand it anymore and had to check back in again after a few days to see what was happening. It was the Sharon Tate and her unborn child aspect that just overwhelmed me. I am glad that this book is now written not only by someone knowledgeable and skilled but also with enough humanity to stay with the victims’ families after Watson’s parole hearing and also to feel emotion in seeing the restaurant where Sharon Tate and her friends had their last meal. Thanks for this posting and book.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15338488144804742560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-36324314028586579512018-06-07T20:43:34.794-04:002018-06-07T20:43:34.794-04:00Wasn't the Speck case where one girl hid under...Wasn't the Speck case where one girl hid under the bed and survived?Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-21053816300137364212018-06-07T20:33:18.239-04:002018-06-07T20:33:18.239-04:00I was a bit too young to remember when the Boston ...I was a bit too young to remember when the Boston Strangler killings were going on, but I do remember the movie and have read thing since. I could also remember there being some doubt that he was the actual killer, as DeSalvo recanted his confessions to killing the women before he died, but in 2013 his body was exhumed and he was definitively linked to the last victim, Mary Sullivan. Hank, I bet you have all kinds of interesting information about this case from living there and being in the news business. Karen, I only lived an hour east down the river, but I can't remember hearing about the Cincinnati Strangler. I would have only been 11 and 12, and no movie.Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-18554714607951995622018-06-07T19:57:34.896-04:002018-06-07T19:57:34.896-04:00Now, I'm going to have to look up The Blue Now...Now, I'm going to have to look up The Blue Nowhere.Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-23950234224374344152018-06-07T18:43:39.899-04:002018-06-07T18:43:39.899-04:00It was incredible. I don't read much in the wa...It was incredible. I don't read much in the way of true crime, but I have never forgotten that book. Brilliant. Judy Penz Sheluk, authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07631631805016814056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-6078937736236559292018-06-07T18:41:31.747-04:002018-06-07T18:41:31.747-04:00Yes, he said he was a utility guy. And even after ...Yes, he said he was a utility guy. And even after they KNEW that was happening, women let him in. Tony Curtis --a crush? Not my type, :-) but really labeled with that role, don't you think? I mean--his face is how we envision DeSalvo.Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-967967239727672682018-06-07T18:39:00.007-04:002018-06-07T18:39:00.007-04:00Amazing, huh? I know I read Helter Skelter..and I ...Amazing, huh? I know I read Helter Skelter..and I think I have blocked it out. Was it good? You know, crime good.Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-52289139840988987502018-06-07T18:06:03.500-04:002018-06-07T18:06:03.500-04:00I have been fascinated by these murders since read...I have been fascinated by these murders since reading Helter Skelter. This book is now in my TBR pile!Judy Penz Sheluk, authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07631631805016814056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-28525182836311183082018-06-07T16:30:23.792-04:002018-06-07T16:30:23.792-04:00Didn't he say he worked for a utility, or some...Didn't he say he worked for a utility, or something?<br /><br />My big childhood crush, Tony Curtis, played the Strangler, as I remember. <br />Karen in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846039203123720312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-54647396127533499672018-06-07T15:33:23.582-04:002018-06-07T15:33:23.582-04:00WHAT? Wow. Truly? That is an amazing bit of info. ...WHAT? Wow. Truly? That is an amazing bit of info. Whoa. And yikes, so scary.<br />And that reminds me--Doesn't Andrew Gross talk about meeting Manson, too? I think his book The Blue Nowhere is based around that.Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-90388890252178635852018-06-07T15:31:03.706-04:002018-06-07T15:31:03.706-04:00ANd of course the Boston Strangler, how could I fo...ANd of course the Boston Strangler, how could I forget! Remember? And women just let him in??Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-63812785969487400992018-06-07T15:30:34.636-04:002018-06-07T15:30:34.636-04:00Oh, right...it's so chilling to remember. And ...Oh, right...it's so chilling to remember. And to see how many such cases there are..Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-71758524642258317582018-06-07T15:29:55.819-04:002018-06-07T15:29:55.819-04:00SO fascinating--and you'll come back when that...SO fascinating--and you'll come back when that comes out, I hope!Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-74416610917537227472018-06-07T15:29:23.897-04:002018-06-07T15:29:23.897-04:00Huh. That is so interesting...have there been book...Huh. That is so interesting...have there been books where the bad guy gets away? Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-42501045461191728152018-06-07T15:28:41.487-04:002018-06-07T15:28:41.487-04:00Oh, YES the woodchipper. Ahh... I wish I could un...Oh, YES the woodchipper. Ahh... I wish I could un-know that!Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-31609223865061593372018-06-07T15:28:08.542-04:002018-06-07T15:28:08.542-04:00Yes! I was here, covering that--and it was astonis...Yes! I was here, covering that--and it was astonishing. Basically everyone believed his story--and turned out to be a real object lesson in racism. Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07630366214207785339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-2594748625743600692018-06-07T14:47:16.424-04:002018-06-07T14:47:16.424-04:00I was in high school when these murders happened, ...I was in high school when these murders happened, and I was horrified largely because of Sharon Tate, whom I'd seen in Valley of the Dolls and the fact that she was eight months pregnant. The brutality of her and her baby being stabbed to death was pure evil. The reports of what happened to all of the people killed at Sharon Tate's house were so graphic, such as Abby Folger telling the girl stabbing her on the lawn that she (Abby) was already dead. Sharon Tate begging for her child's life. Chilling. I'd replay the time before the killers entered the house or even after, hoping for a different outcome or some escape for Sharon or others. Of course, there was only a tragic ending for all. And it was so mind boggling that these girls of Charles Manson were so brain-washed and that Tex Watson was so evil. And, of course, no less tragic was the murder of the LaBiancas. These murders still give me such chills that I try not to read much about them anymore, but your book may be the exception to that, Lis. <br /><br />Oh, one item about Manson and the murders, especially the ones of Sharon Tate and her friends at 10050 Cielo Drive, is of particular interest to me. It is the connection between the Beach Boys and Doris Day's son Terry Melcher and Charles Manson. Manson apparently had hope of breaking into the music scene and became friends with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, and as a result of this friendship, others connected to the Beach Boys came into the orbit of Manson. One of these people was Terry Melcher, who as a favor to Wilson went to Charles Manson's compound at Spahn Ranch in 1969 to listen to Manson's music. Melcher was not impressed and refused to help Manson in his quest for music fame. Manson, of course, was furious and he knew where Terry lived. Meanwhile, Terry's mother, Doris Day, heard from her son how crazy Charles Manson was and knew that this unstable person knew where her son (who, by the way, was living with girlfriend Candace Bergen at the time) lived. Dorris Day, as the story goes, convinced her son to move out of the 10050 Cielo residence into a house she owned. Was it a coincidence that Manson picked that address, no longer occupied by Melcher, as his first killing site? <br /><br />Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-40717019934617137762018-06-07T13:46:14.684-04:002018-06-07T13:46:14.684-04:00The Cincinnati Strangler was another horrifying ca...The Cincinnati Strangler was another horrifying case. He targeted elderly women, for some reason, raping and then strangling them, in 1965-66.<br /><br />In my freshman Police Science Criminal Justice class we took a field trip to Cincinnati (from Hamilton, about thirty-five miles away) to visit the morgue, and the police headquarters. They showed us slides (it was 1969) of the victims of the Strangler. I'll never forget seeing photos of those poor women lying on the floor in disarray. Nor will I ever forget what that morgue smelled like, despite the ozone lamps everywhere. Even the smell of ozone takes me right back there.Karen in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846039203123720312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-34464160280293682392018-06-07T13:41:36.035-04:002018-06-07T13:41:36.035-04:00Exactly, Mary. I think that's why murder myste...Exactly, Mary. I think that's why murder mysteries, and crime fiction in general, are so popular. The bad guy nearly never gets away with the crime, unlike in real life.Karen in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846039203123720312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-51447905004014620232018-06-07T13:24:33.401-04:002018-06-07T13:24:33.401-04:00Terrifying.Terrifying.Lis Wiehl authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028573706363268402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-39741217217696517322018-06-07T13:22:40.596-04:002018-06-07T13:22:40.596-04:00Thank you!Thank you!Lis Wiehl authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028573706363268402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-12215340088648066382018-06-07T12:57:44.427-04:002018-06-07T12:57:44.427-04:00Thank you, Lis. Will definitely check out the vide...Thank you, Lis. Will definitely check out the videos!Deborah Crombiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988750789088153601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-40043266528547128722018-06-07T12:52:54.570-04:002018-06-07T12:52:54.570-04:00I was in college when the Manson Family did their ...I was in college when the Manson Family did their thing. The 60's were strange but a horrific set of murders like these were unimaginable. I still do not understand how people can submit to one person's control of their lives. I had a couple of brothers-in-law who got mixed up with a religious cult as young men. I get that the group made them welcome and valued, but that only lasts so long. The first horrible set of murders I remember were the student nurses in Chicago that Richard Speck slaughtered.<br />Pat Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732230586783432052noreply@blogger.com