tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post7404871384701636159..comments2024-03-29T08:39:57.608-04:00Comments on Jungle Red Writers: This is a Work of FictionJungle Red Writershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-21505735019348292252008-09-16T23:18:00.000-04:002008-09-16T23:18:00.000-04:00Not quite sure this is relevant. I wanted to write...Not quite sure this is relevant. I wanted to write the "American Siblings" script as a true story. However, there were too many characters and some details were not totally clear to me. On top of this I kept getting questions like - "Why does he marry the elevator operator at the hospital? Shouldn't it be a nurse?" Grrrr.. I knew I had to composite characters to streamline the story. That alone started to distort what actually happened. The settings were exactly as they happened - however the script became a "based on a true story" one.<BR/><BR/>I have since decided to actually write the story as a memoir - that should give you a chuckle Ro - because the story is very poignant and I think I could write a very compelling read - that already happens to be a screen play. The good news is: I'd be able to keep the story much more intact in the memoir. Not sure if I'd need to keep the character compositing. I'd at least be able to breakout a few more significant charaters.<BR/><BR/>Hmm... I'd still be at 'a mostly true memoir' - Oh... now I know why Susannah ROFLed over Ro's memoir content!!! So, yeah, it's pretty tough to make the memoir completely true for a variety of reasons.Mike Vecchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00016079615702702269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-3017739175946672312008-09-16T10:25:00.000-04:002008-09-16T10:25:00.000-04:00No joking that the reverse condition isn't much fu...No joking that the reverse condition isn't much fun,either. Since I've both signed NDAs and have a compassionate ethic when it comes to writing about victims and their families, my opening disclaimer says upfront that the 'who, when, and where' have been changed as needed to protect identities, but that the 'what, why and how' are as true as one person's perspective can possibly make them.<BR/><BR/>It's an ethic I can write with (and live with myself, afterward), but the whole current burden-of-truthiness issue makes me pretty tired some days.<BR/><BR/>As a reader, I'm fully willing to enjoy a book with the opening terms defined. With fiction I need less definition of terms: Fiction means fiction to me. I wouldn't worry about an invented town or mall or clan of nudist Scotsmen with dirk fixations. With narrative nonfiction/memoir, if someone says upfront <I>X, Y, and Z are actual places, and my brother still has a pulse, but 'Auntie Mav' is the woman I wish had raised me--a sort of cross between June Cleaver and Lt. Uhura-- a figure of imagination to replace the woman who actually did. Auntie Mav was very real to the boy of this memoir</I>--I've got my definition of terms and can read forward happily.<BR/><BR/>But I do like that definition of terms. I can't yet easily equate memoir with boy-this-is-what-I-wish-were-true as a genre convention. I certainly can't write it that way.<BR/><BR/>What's David Sedaris' response to the question: "Is your work true?"<BR/>He says: "It's true enough." I read him with pleasure and one eyebrow lifted.Susannah Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660387525544941776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-53417170666852850892008-09-16T09:34:00.000-04:002008-09-16T09:34:00.000-04:00Ys,Ro, Ragtime was lifechanging like that. The Wat...Ys,Ro, Ragtime was lifechanging like that. The Waterworks. And the wonderful wonderful The Alienist. And that one about the Chicago Worlds Fair. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and does anyone remember the title of a mystery about a teacher in maybe--Erie? Or Buffalo? In 1899 or so? Who was there when they first turned on electric lights? <BR/>Something like that. It featured Grover Cleveland. It's driving me crazy that I can't remember...and I loved the book. First Light? Something like that..Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-47973143376850672952008-09-15T22:14:00.000-04:002008-09-15T22:14:00.000-04:00I guess the first book I can remember that mixed f...I guess the first book I can remember that mixed fact and fiction was Ragtime. Although I suppose Shakespeare did it all the time. (Don't you love that I'm mentioning myself in the same breath as Doctorow and Shakespeare??)<BR/>...I love "you lot" and wish I could use it without appearing affected. Jane Tenison said it all the time in Prime Suspect. Grandma must be very cool.Rosemary Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08033747422699443024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-26752371921246191702008-09-15T11:53:00.000-04:002008-09-15T11:53:00.000-04:00Since you make the tribe sound so convincing, Ro, ...Since you make the tribe sound so convincing, Ro, I think a note would be appropriate. Folks do tend to automatically believe things when they see them in print. I know I believe things first--then wonder.<BR/><BR/>In my next, Calling Mr. Lonely Hearts, I take huge liberties with the city of Cincinnati. I ask for indulgence for the made-up stuff in the acknowledgments (which my editor edited--isn't that funny?!).<BR/><BR/>I'm out of power here in Southern Il--at the Panera checking in. Gosh, I miss being online!Laura Benedicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08474185786017084327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-11335519722868617432008-09-15T11:34:00.000-04:002008-09-15T11:34:00.000-04:00Hi Ro,Apologies for the mental lapse and forgettin...Hi Ro,<BR/>Apologies for the mental lapse and forgetting to add to the blog. <BR/><BR/>I actually ask my editor to put a note into a manuscript to explain when I make things up. I invented West Kent, so I could have a small town in Rhode Island where incompetent cops and deviant school teachers could work without inadvertently casting suspicion on anyone. <BR/><BR/>In Teaser, I added a note so everyone would know I made up The Providence Centre Mall and just didn't get the name of the real mall wrong.<BR/><BR/>I think if your style is realistic, readers will search for familiarity in the setting. They get a kick out knowing the bend in the road you are talking about. And they do notice when they suspect a hole in your local knowledge.<BR/><BR/>I think its only fair to give advance notice when you are deviating from realistic format. So, I guess I agree with your editor. But that might be the journalist in me.Jan Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11323983086318138814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-22065558209030441422008-09-15T10:14:00.000-04:002008-09-15T10:14:00.000-04:00What the hell..I should probably just call it a me...<I>What the hell..I should probably just call it a memoir. Then no one would expect it to be accurate.</I><BR/><BR/>ROFL. Oh, if only that would let *me* off the hook. }:><BR/><BR/>Great post and <I>The Big Dirt Nap</I> is just a great title.<BR/><BR/>Interesting to see how 'you lot', as my grandmother would say, wrangle with this on the other side of the fiction/nonfiction fence.Susannah Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660387525544941776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-69672986378177008222008-09-15T08:24:00.000-04:002008-09-15T08:24:00.000-04:00It's tricky using real places, because you don't w...It's tricky using real places, because you don't want to offend people there. Or maybe that's just my "nice girl" talking--after all, a little controversy (stopping short of a lawsuit, of course) is good publicity.<BR/><BR/>In One Bad Apple, I used a real town for physical descriptions, but made it more run-down than it may be. I got in touch with a local blogger and sent him a copy before going public with the identification--I wanted his take on whether the town would ride me out on a rail. He had no problem with it.<BR/><BR/>And in the glassblowing book I just finished, I refer to a real Arizona Indian tribe and reservation, by name. I've tried not to say anything derogatory about the group or the place, but there are (fictional) individual members who are less than admirable. We'll see how that one flies.<BR/><BR/>Funny how people take our fiction as fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com