LUCY BURDETTE: We're running this post from four years ago because some of you will have missed it and it's good enough to read over and over! (In my humble opinion.) Plus it has the most adorable picture of Rhys and her John you will ever see...
The Reds Dish with Advice on Marriage
LUCY BURDETTE: Tomorrow is the 30th anniversary of John and me getting married. Thirty years! How did that happen? Last year at this time, John was in the hospital with medical problems, so I feel even more grateful this year. I hoped the Reds might help us celebrate with pictures of their wedding day, and best advice for folks just starting out. (Or really, people in the middle might use this too!)
A wise therapist once told me that there’s not really any such thing as one marriage. You and your spouse embark on what becomes a series of marriages, depending on how each of you might be changing internally, plus changes outside with family challenges, health issues, aging, money, etc. To make it through all this, keep talking, stay kind and calm, and focus on the positive reasons you married this person in the first place. How about you Reds, advice for newlyweds?
HALLIE EPHRON: I hate to say it, but the most important thing is to get lucky and marry the right person. Not as easy as it sounds. I could have walked off with quite a few Mr. Wrongs.
Jerry was Right and his timing was impeccable. It helps if he’s easy to look at and laughs at your jokes.
HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: I knew Jonathan was the one the moment I saw him. There’s no way else to describe this, and he felt the same way. We were “older,” me 46 and him 56, and I think that meant that we’d both been through a lot of experiences before, and realized not only what mattered, but what didn’t.
Little stuff does not matter. If we’re feeling cranky, we just say–”I’m feeling cranky, it’s not you”. Individual items do not escalate into “you ALWAYS.” We are both polite to each other–if someone does something small, like empty the dishwasher, the other always notices it, and remarks on it. We respect each other and we listen to each other. We take turns. I think he is fascinating and brilliant, and yes, he thinks I am funny, which is so important, because I think I’m hilarious but that’s not universally felt.
We compliment each other every day. We are not one bit competitive with each other (except at Scrabble, another blog), and are truly supportive. We are patient with each other (although it doesn't feel like “patience,”) team players and good friends. We both think we are very lucky. And laughter, right?
JENN McKINLAY: Laughter. I often tell the Hooligans that the only reason that their dad and I are still married is because he makes me laugh. That’s a big part of it, I believe, but even more importantly, when adversity strikes, you have to jump in the fox hole together. Our marriage was a bit unbalanced as Hub suffered some big setbacks in the beginning, and I was always right there at his side. I thought I didn’t need him as much as he needed me. Then a crushing blow hit me, and lo and behold, I discovered my marriage had layers that I’d never even suspected. Hub kept me tethered with infinite kindness and patience, being there for me just like I’d been there for him. My advice? Keep your sense of humor and have each other’s back and you’ll be just fine.
RHYS BOWEN: We were off to a rocky start as John was raised old school upper-class British–meaning you don’t show your emotions and the husband expects the wife to do the child rearing. He came from such a reserved background, boarding school at age 10, a father who only shook his hand, so I can understand how he turned out the way he did. Now he realizes how much he missed out on, not really knowing his kids. He has had so much more enjoyment from knowing his grandkids.
What has kept us together is sharing basic values on money, religion, ethics. Also we enjoy the same things–we love to travel, we love to get together with family and friends, and to laugh at British comedies. And as the years have progressed he has been so supportive of my career, my biggest champion. In fact the moment he retired he became a different person–much warmer, friendlier and encouraging. So perhaps the stress of work was an overriding factor.
Now he can tell the kids he loves them when they call him. He can be appreciative, in fact he tells me almost every day how lucky he is to have married me. So all’s well that ends well, I guess!
JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: I would agree with everything said so far, and add 'practice kindness.' No matter how much you love someone, there will be days, weeks and sometimes even months where you would just as soon turn the garden hose on your spouse as talk to them. One of the most important things I learned in marriage counseling was to act loving, even when I wasn't feeling it. This does two things: it keeps your determination to make your spouse's life better alive. And, in the principle of fake it until you make it, you find that acting with love helps restore those feelings of love.
The second most important thing I learned was, if things aren't going well, get help! People often comment on what a great marriage Ross and I had. Well, that was because we worked hard at it, including going into couples therapy when necessary. If you have doubts about how well it works, take us as proof: we raised three fantastic children together and made it to our 30th anniversary.
DEBORAH CROMBIE: Wow, I think we should go into marriage advice business! We are just a couple of years behind you, Lucy, as we just celebrated our 28th. Rick made me this graphic.
So obviously I agree that a sense of humor is super important, although it's not something that usually tops people's lists when they are looking for "romance."
But just when I am so annoyed at Rick I can hardly stand it, he'll make me laugh, and then whatever I was aggravated over doesn't seem nearly as important. And simple kindness and shared values can't be stressed enough.
How about you Reds? What's been important in your relationships? Or heck, things that haven't worked? Any advice for newlyweds or those out looking?









What terrific advice from all the Reds [and I love the pictures!] . . . I'd add treasure your relationship and never forget to say, "I love you" . . . .
ReplyDeleteGood ones Joan!
DeleteAll these pictures are so sweet, and so many important tips. Thanks for the re-run!
ReplyDeleteHugh and I have made it 22 years after unhappy first marriages. I think coming at it a second time puts a lot in perspective. I've been able to let things slide that I didn't with my husband. Hugh makes me laugh and, while he's not particularly demonstrative, I know he has my back.
And he's never cruel or insulting.
DeleteHopefully we've all learned something if there's a second time around:)
DeleteEdith, may I ask How you knew that Hugh was a good person before you married him?
DeleteBecause he made me laugh, Diana, and was never mean. I knew I could trust him with my emotions. When I met his sisters and parents, I knew I fit right in.
DeleteI met Irwin in our 30's. He was divorced with one child. I always say I didn't marry my mistakes. He had already left someone behind. This was my chance at happiness and I swore to myself that I would always make it work.
ReplyDeleteI agree that marriage is something that you must work on because everyone has his moments. Even when I am furious and know that he is being stubborn - unreasonable - exasperating, I don't add to the fire. I keep a calm exterior and will still bring coffee as usual until he gets over his snit enough to talk about it.
Everyone is different and this approach won't work for all, neither can some hang back and wait. But if you value what you have, you will figure out your own way to make it through the rough spots.
I think that's good advice Judy. I sometimes suggest to John if I'm mad he'd be better off not piling on!
DeleteI have no idea how our marriage worked, but I place everything positive on Kitty, who despite having an Irish temper was the epitome of kindness and grace. As for myself, I was pigheaded, immature, stubborn, and self-centered -- the fact that she saw something positive in me was a miracle I cannot explain. We met when she was sixteen and I was nineteen and both were wide-eyed liberals raging at the injustice of the world. Then I went to school two thousand miles away and we went our separate ways until one evening when I was home on break friends insisted we stop by a Friendly's for a snack -- they knew, but I didn't, that Kitty was working there as a waitress. When she approached to take our order, both she and I were immediately gobsmacked, with both our mouths agape. I was with her ever since, thorough good times and bad, but for me they were almost always good. She taught me trust in myself, to appreciate all the beauty around us, to give more of myself than I thought possible. She taught me to laugh. We were married for 52 years, 5 months, and 11 days, and I miss her more than words can express. Perhaps her final gift was teaching me that life with only her memory is still a wondrous thing. Today, as I look at our two daughters and five grandchildren, I see her legacy in action. Kitty always said that the most important thing in life was to have a kind heart and my family embodies that peffectly.
ReplyDeleteYour beautiful tribute brought tears this morning, Jerry. How blessed you and Kitty were to have had so many happy years together.
DeleteOh, Jerry, what a lovely tribute to your dear Kitty and your life together. 52 years was a major achievement, too.
DeleteOh yes, Jerry. Your Kitty was right: a kind heart is absolutely vital. Thank you for this lovely tribute to your wife.
DeleteWhat a wonderful comment Jerry, thank you. I bet you underestimate yourself!
DeleteJerry, you know you had a wonderful life together when 52 years is too short a time...
DeleteWe will be celebrating 42 years of marriage in August. I don’t really have any advice; either you are committed to the long haul or you aren’t. Begin with the right person that you know well enough to be friends with because passion is going to wax and wane. And do not think that you can change the other person if there is something about them that you don’t like.
ReplyDeleteGood point! Mistake to go in thinking you can fix them...
DeleteWhat a wonderful blog, and photos, and stories and advice! My husband and I will celebrate our 41st in September. Lots of bumps along the way. Love, love will keep us together, and time apart, and laughter.
ReplyDeleteCongratulations Suzette!
Delete49 years in November, after a 21-day courtship. My advice – if you haven’t killed him, you may as well keep him, but it would be better if he would get hearing aids. He looks like a waif who could not get hired for Monty Python’s “I’m a lumber jack”, often smells of whatever he is dealing with, never takes his boots off and tends to drone on with the same joke – which other people like and find funny. Like a bad smell – he is always there – dependable, not quite toxic, but late to the end.
ReplyDeleteMargo LOL! that is quite a tribute! Hearing aids do help...
DeleteOh what a great read. Thanks for reposting it -- do it again, regularly. Re-reading a good story is so good. All the advice here is excellent. My spouse makes me laugh, we share a love for interesting ideas, for good conversation, and for the natural world. You need to share core values, I think, on which you can build a joint life. That foundation will see you through some rocky upsets, in my experience. And there definitely must be respect between you.
ReplyDeleteWonderful Amanda!
DeleteGee, Margo, way to sell it! LOL Steve getting hearing aids saved my sanity, and quite possibly, his safety! I hope you can convince the waif to do the same.
ReplyDeleteAfter a truly horrible first marriage I resisted getting pulled into a serious relationship, until I met Steve. He had been widowed quite tragically two years before, and he was still shellshocked and tender. But I knew the first time we went out that he was a keeper, and had to be patient for 3 1/2 years before he was ready to marry again. And before I was.
Because we were both damaged emotionally in different ways, we had a rocky time for many years, trying to get past our own fears of being left one way or another, and of trying to trust each other fully. I think Roberta's description of being in "many marriages" is perfect; especially in a long marriage the partners change, learn new things, and grow--sometimes in very different ways. In our case, we are not the same people we were in 1982. We have rubbed the sharp edges off one another, and instead of responding in knee-jerk, dramatic ways to small and big hurts, we both step back now, and let things cool off before discussing them. That was the hardest thing for me, in particular, since I grew up with no emotional security at all. Learning to trust that he was not going to just vanish took a really long time. So far, so good.
I think you are going to make it Karen--you both are keepers by now!
DeleteThat "many marriages" quote struck me as well, Karen. Ross and I had the newlywed (and flush with his income at a big law firm) stage, the new parents stage, the both of us switching our careers stage, and finally, the last year, when he was trusting and graceful enough to let me take care of him. Every major life change is a change to either give up or go forward, and you have to make the choice again and again through your lives together.
DeleteLove all the pictures and good advice.
ReplyDeleteThis is very lovely, Lucy. Thank you for posting… So touching and thought-prot and inspirational. Xxxx to all.
ReplyDeleteAgree Hank! Such a welcome post and so nice to read such interesting stories.
DeleteOh, I loved this post, and even more the re-run. And it is perfect for today as we are celebrating our 32nd anniversary today!
ReplyDeleteCongrats Debs!!
DeleteCongrats to you and Rick! our 34th comes along at the end of the month. Hoping for many more!
DeleteCongratulations!
DeleteHappy anniversary, Debs and Rick!
DeleteYou're still a pair of starry-eyed kids as far as I can tell, Debs!
DeleteHappy anniversary Debs and Rick!
DeleteFor the JWR: what advice can you add four years later?
ReplyDeleteAnon, I have a new piece of wisdom after 7 1/2 years of widowhood, and that is, within your marriage, give each other space - to do you own thing, to have your own friends. That last can be challenging for a lot of men, who let their wives become their gateway to other relationships. One of the things that helped me survive and eventually thrive was the fact Ross and I weren't joined at the hip. I still had a life and relationships and things I customarily did without him, so I wasn't just a constant, walking wound.
DeleteI adore these photos! Such a lovely glimpse of happiness and hope!
ReplyDeleteI've observed many marriages in my day and I would add: you need to see your partner for who they are, not who you wish they were. Case in point: young cousin, gorgeous--her groom tossed rose petals down the aisle before she walked it. He was enamored of her beauty, what he missed was her backbone and intelligence--she was never a helpless maiden. He didn't want the real woman, went looking for something else. She's now happily remarried to a man who isn't intimidated by her beauty or her strength.
Flora:
Deleteyour advice - "you need to see your partner for who they are, not who you wish they were"
is probably the best advice for newly engaged couples. I know of many marriages (my first marriage included) where the wife thought she or marriage would change things and they'd "live happily ever after".
Flora, by grandmother, who hosted our wedding, gave me excellent advice from her own 40 year marriage: "Don't ever expect to change the man you marry. You can only change yourself." Wise words!
DeleteLove ALL of the Reds' gorgeous photos! I agree with Flora that they are such lovely glimpses of happiness and hope. Thank you for sharing your stories, Reds. Your stories give me hope. Though I've never been married, I am optimistic for my future.
ReplyDeleteQuestion or two for all of the Jungle Reds here: Did you have premarital counseling before you got married? Before marriage, did you observe how he treated children, dogs, "invisible" people and servers?
My Hugh adores his cats with the sweetest of feelings. That alone said a lot. And children adore him, even if he's never quite sure what to do with babies.
DeleteThat's a great question, Diana. You can tell SO much about someone by how they treat those in a more vulnerable position. Ross and I dated in DC, so lots of waiters, and we traveled together several times before marrying as well. He was unfailing polite and courteous to everyone: waitstaff, housekeepers, flight attendants, etc. And he was a good tipper, despite living on a law student's income! I had dated a man before meeting Ross who, well, let's say not so much of any of this. I liked the difference!
DeleteThe many marriages is so true - since we’ve both been retired, it has been interesting to adjust. I realize how much of the emotional labor of marriage my husband did while I was working, while now I feel I am doing more and learning to be OK with that. It will be 35 years in June.
ReplyDeleteMorning everyone ~ sounds like a book of helpful advice has been written in the above comments. I agree with all of it. I’ve been a widow a long time and I would add time to the list. The spending of time together doing whatever. Hubby would fish and I would sit in the shade and read. We didn’t talk a lot, just when something occurred that we wanted to share. Glances at each other. Proximity matters. Time in the kitchen together, playing cards, holding hands, going for walks, sharing hobbies even or favorite entertainment. Quiet patio evening. Exciting adventures anywhere. Anything that keeps us aware of the love we share. Learn each others signals that mean something as in a shared language just for the two of you. Think, can we go now? Or, you look so handsome or lovely or the shared look that says, I’m proud of you, I love you. No matter what, just love each other.
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