tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post5804639664588058098..comments2024-03-29T02:43:11.575-04:00Comments on Jungle Red Writers: Police Procedure: 5 Ways We Get It WrongJungle Red Writershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-82781792819640881162012-07-20T07:52:17.169-04:002012-07-20T07:52:17.169-04:00Lee,
Sounds like you weren't as crabby as some...Lee,<br />Sounds like you weren't as crabby as some of the cops I knew! I think, actually, that the ones who complained may have been a little jealous or even threatened when the FBI came to town. Maybe they felt it implied they were incompetent or unable to solve the case on their own. Who knows? Thanks again for a great interview.Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01724127668983231150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-39219551714367127232012-07-20T00:12:28.056-04:002012-07-20T00:12:28.056-04:00Well, I guess we'll start all over again tomor...Well, I guess we'll start all over again tomorrow morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-62950470341733834472012-07-19T23:31:21.369-04:002012-07-19T23:31:21.369-04:00Wow - fascinating! Thank you, Lee, for your time a...Wow - fascinating! Thank you, Lee, for your time and the information on these common errors!<br /><br />Can't wait until I can attend the WPA!<br /><br />NGWNancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06495937280335984726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-35588628751264216272012-07-19T21:44:32.289-04:002012-07-19T21:44:32.289-04:00You are all amazing and, Lee, what a great resourc...You are all amazing and, Lee, what a great resource for authors. I stand in awe of you all.Marianne in Mainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-53689195461468118612012-07-19T20:54:02.386-04:002012-07-19T20:54:02.386-04:00Wow, what an incredible opportunity! As a reader, ...Wow, what an incredible opportunity! As a reader, I wouldn't know the difference between the workings of a Glock and a Colt .45 (semi)automatic, but I do know enough about shooting to realize those trick shots are possible only in the mind of the writer. <br /><br />Lee, I also want to thank you for your years of service in law enforcement. You and your fellow officers put your lives on the line every day, and I know I'm not the only one who appreciates the sacrifices you and your families make.Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03788610902096354682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-64730834199368825822012-07-19T20:41:15.956-04:002012-07-19T20:41:15.956-04:00And Lee, you know, maybe one year WPA could have a...And Lee, you know, maybe one year WPA could have a class on what reporters do...? xooHank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-22736184069158396862012-07-19T20:39:30.361-04:002012-07-19T20:39:30.361-04:00Oh, whew, Lee! You have made my day. (;-) ) Back ...Oh, whew, Lee! You have made my day. (;-) ) Back to the manuscript, where my police officer hero is behaving realistically!<br /><br />whoo hoo...xooxo<br /><br />And my captcha word is undoodu, which proves it!Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-21949234350778653142012-07-19T19:37:59.018-04:002012-07-19T19:37:59.018-04:00Dropping in to say Hi to Lee, who's one of the...Dropping in to say Hi to Lee, who's one of the most generous guys on the planet. I went to WPA #1 and am going to #3. (I haven't read all the comments, so I don't know if someone's mentioned it, so sorry...)but I expected to see the "thumbing the safety off a Glock" listed in most common errors. Lee has saved my butt more than once when I've asked him a question about procedure. Buy his book. Read the "CSI...don't think so" chapter.<br /><br />TerryTerry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-34206447452450753532012-07-19T18:39:16.927-04:002012-07-19T18:39:16.927-04:00Hi Hank, my pal and buddy.
You know, a lot of of...Hi Hank, my pal and buddy. <br /><br />You know, a lot of officers refer to their duty weapons by the brand..."My SIG," "My Smith"(Smith and Wesson), or "My Glock," etc.<br /><br />If you're asking if officers lie to suspects, and, if so, how often? Easy answer...Yes, and every single day there're thousands of officers all across the country lying to killers, rapists, or even the guy who's accused of B&E (remember, robbery and burglary are NOT the same), all hoping to get a confession, or some sort of break in a case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-51629361941354591412012-07-19T18:12:34.668-04:002012-07-19T18:12:34.668-04:00I attended last year for the first time and it was...I attended last year for the first time and it was a wonderful experience. I'm definitely going back this year!<br /><br />GraceGrace Greenehttp://www.gracegreeneauthor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-57269615422895738202012-07-19T17:45:11.482-04:002012-07-19T17:45:11.482-04:00Lee, Lee! Running in after a hard day chasing.well...Lee, Lee! Running in after a hard day chasing.well, I can;t tell you.<br />Anyway, this is SO terrific!And a real master class. And I use your book all the time.<br /><br />And yes, SinC LOVES WPA! Talk about a master class.<br /><br />One question--in the mind of a police officer--what does they call him/her self? And what do they call their weapon? "He heard footsteps. He reached for his_____." <br /><br />And--off the record--how often do police officers mislead suspects to get info? "Yes, the cab driver recognized you." When he didn't?<br /><br />LOVe to you and your dear wife..oxoHankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208345842094656311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-64162812385577785582012-07-19T17:20:37.974-04:002012-07-19T17:20:37.974-04:00Lee, that is fantastic. Thanks for a great respons...Lee, that is fantastic. Thanks for a great response!Maureen Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499876353651763590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-11359475549962736852012-07-19T16:59:48.809-04:002012-07-19T16:59:48.809-04:00Hi Reine - The idea to do a Writers' Police Ac...Hi Reine - The idea to do a Writers' Police Academy first came to me while attending Sisters in Crime's Forensic University. And, I'd attended numerous writers conferences, sitting in on police officer-type workshops. While at those events, I noticed that sometimes audience members didn't understand exactly what the instuctors meant, and that's not a good thing. <br /><br />Sure, all the information at every single event has been excellent, but it's just not the same as getting your hands dirty with fingerprint powder, smelling the real odors associated with a murder scene, shooting guns, wearing a Kevlar vest, handcuffing a suspect, driving police cars and fire trucks, etc. <br /><br />So, that's what I put together in Ohio back in 2009 - a hands-on event -, and man has it grown. This event is absolutely huge. In fact, when our recruits first round the corner and see all the police, CSI, and other emergency vehicles and equipment, well, it's a sight to behold. And, it takes place at an actual police, fire, and EMS academy.<br /><br />Why did I do this to myself...um...I mean to help others? Simple, I was truly tired of seeing all the easily-prevented mistakes in so many books!<br /><br />I keep my information current by staying in touch with many law enforcement officer-trainers and other experts on a regular basis. Also, I'm a sheriff member of the National Sheriff's Association.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-31661107047372270112012-07-19T15:18:38.072-04:002012-07-19T15:18:38.072-04:00Lee, I think you are wonderful. What inspired you ...Lee, I think you are wonderful. What inspired you to start the Writers Police Academy? Did the idea come to you as a reader? As a writer you have your background to inform your writing. What made you want to put some of that out there for others? How do you keep up with changes. I can't imagine the work that must go into keeping up.Maureen Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499876353651763590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-50531207404740243042012-07-19T15:00:11.961-04:002012-07-19T15:00:11.961-04:00I know someone who was planning on going to your w...I know someone who was planning on going to your workshop and look forward to hearing her take on it! Thanks for the good work, it must be as frustrating for you to read bad investigative work as it is for me to see bad medical info.<br />Rebecca955@aol.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-64907076281064992812012-07-19T14:57:09.355-04:002012-07-19T14:57:09.355-04:00Great post!! As a former FBI analyst I would like ...Great post!! As a former FBI analyst I would like to personally thank you Lee for tip #1. I love reading mysteries and thrillers but as soon as I get to the FBI agent investigating a local murder my eyes roll and I can go no further...no matter how well written the book is. The FBI murder investigation falls right under the badass NSA operative. Nope, doesn't happen. lol Whether you want to or not, you tend to read with a different eye for this stuff when you're in the business.<br /><br />I know it's fiction and we have to make things sexy for the readers so we do what we must, but these are GREAT tips if you can take them into account.S.D. Skyehttp://www.authorsdskye.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-21216052428140766102012-07-19T14:22:42.019-04:002012-07-19T14:22:42.019-04:00But, I'm sure, Kristi, that agents somewhere h...But, I'm sure, Kristi, that agents somewhere have rubbed local officers the wrong way, and local cops have irked the feds as well. I've just not seen it in my dealings across the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-74022521441054305482012-07-19T14:16:42.456-04:002012-07-19T14:16:42.456-04:00Thanks, William.
Actually, Kristi, the FBI doesn&...Thanks, William.<br /><br />Actually, Kristi, the FBI doesn't magically roll into town the second a child is reported missing. Somebody from the local police normally initiates their participation by inviting/asking for their help with the case. Agents have no way of knowing a child is missing until they receive the call. Of course, family members do sometimes call the FBI directly, or in the case of a high-profile family the governor may be the person making that call... :)<br /><br />But, in those cases I've never seen or heard of any irritation expressed by local officers because it's always a good thing to have more people working toward finding a missing child. <br /><br />However, I was a cop for a long time and have worked numerous abduction cases involving children, as do investigators all across the country, and never once did I call in the FBI. <br /><br />I've worked with FBI agents on many cases in my day, and even served on task forces with federal agents, and we always got along just fine, especially with DEA and ATF because they're more familiar with "in the trenches" type of work. <br /><br />Most FBI agents work white collar-type crimes, so "street work" is sometimes a bit out of their comfort zone. Still, they're highly trained and their resources are out of this world. And I loved borrowing their toys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-76811883665107919422012-07-19T13:48:32.092-04:002012-07-19T13:48:32.092-04:00In awe. Baseball hat to the back of the head and s...In awe. Baseball hat to the back of the head and still up to make an arrest after that? You're a rockstar. <br />Might be worth noting that FBI does roll into town and piss local cops off when a kid goes missing ...<br />xoxoKristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01724127668983231150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-18993500783403373282012-07-19T13:48:11.086-04:002012-07-19T13:48:11.086-04:00Good info, Lee, as always!
Personal favorites? D...Good info, Lee, as always!<br /><br />Personal favorites? Deliberately and s l o w l y screwing a sound suppressor ONTO A REVOLVER.<br /><br />Police threatening the PI with, "I'll have your license pulled, shamus!" Good luck there, officer.<br /><br />And of course, the Ultimate: a computer forensic examination that happens almost *immediately*. I've laughed aloud too many times, especially when the 'forensic expert' commits what amounts to a felony to get the info.<br /><br />I tell myself, "It's just TV, no big thing," but it does grate after a while.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11538690057861333760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-32236355160922818172012-07-19T13:38:33.059-04:002012-07-19T13:38:33.059-04:00There is only one Lee on the planet! He is a true ...There is only one Lee on the planet! He is a true gem!!! Thelma Straw in less hot ManhottenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-38903285265025623022012-07-19T12:10:03.205-04:002012-07-19T12:10:03.205-04:00Lee, sounds like you've put together a program...Lee, sounds like you've put together a program that truly addresses the issue of accuracy in crime writing. I've been fortunate enough to be friends with police officers (who arranged ride outs),forensic folks (spent time with an ME and toured the facility, as well as gawking at the detail work these folks do), and taught classes and tested EMT's at a fire training academy. I was glad to see you've included EMS in your program. My biggest pet peeve is writers--books, TV, movies--who don't check their medical facts. As a retired nurse who spent twenty years as a flight nurse, I've actually put down a book and never picked it up again due to total flouting of the "real world". I'm delighted you mentioned how difficult it is to knock someone out--not only difficult, but if they're truly down for the count, they wake up confused, not ready to jump up and chase after the suspect. Hooray for all you do to keep readers entranced by the accuracy of the writers you educate!Diane Halehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232621705007156159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-34097440295829687262012-07-19T12:04:16.615-04:002012-07-19T12:04:16.615-04:00Thank you for posting this. I have added Lee's...Thank you for posting this. I have added Lee's blog to my favorites list. Your blog was already on my list.WestWordArizonahttp://www.westwordarizona.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-45762497474270440302012-07-19T11:30:59.677-04:002012-07-19T11:30:59.677-04:00I'm envious of you, Edith! I hope to be able t...I'm envious of you, Edith! I hope to be able to do the Writers Police Academy next year. This year's just booked up, unfortunately.<br /><br />And thanks so much for setting this up, Lee! it's a great service for writers--and readers--everywhere.Linda Rodriguezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11913741596693442469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-91396932519215462522012-07-19T11:23:52.123-04:002012-07-19T11:23:52.123-04:00Oy, guns. That's why I do not put them in my b...Oy, guns. That's why I do not put them in my books.Hallie Ephronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04759439029582054503noreply@blogger.com