tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post7705839845954910680..comments2024-03-28T08:20:38.025-04:00Comments on Jungle Red Writers: Every Good Book is a Mystery--Even When It's Not @msheatherwebbJungle Red Writershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-16196313565701129332014-01-08T12:00:01.112-05:002014-01-08T12:00:01.112-05:00I am currently reading Playing With Fire by Cassan...I am currently reading Playing With Fire by Cassandra Bella. It's got those elements, the suspense, mystery and the romance. It's a great read, cassandrabella.net is her site. Might be worth a look see!Amie Loutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-193110017287045332014-01-07T20:47:01.486-05:002014-01-07T20:47:01.486-05:00Hi, Heather - I haven't been to a Backspace co...Hi, Heather - I haven't been to a Backspace conference since we left that midtown hotel all blinky and Maassified. :) Anyway, so psyched to hear you presented at Backspace! Wow! That must have been a thrill. I'm sure I'll catch you at some other event. :) Rock on! Rhonda Lanehttp://rhondalane.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-83413358525017302692014-01-07T20:15:25.669-05:002014-01-07T20:15:25.669-05:00Thank you for having me on, Reds. This has been a ...Thank you for having me on, Reds. This has been a blast!Heather Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998406608932437532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-26184669998661437602014-01-07T20:14:04.593-05:002014-01-07T20:14:04.593-05:00I wish the site had a "reply" button to ...I wish the site had a "reply" button to each comment. So much good conversation here! <br /><br />Rhonda Lane--yes! We did share a cab. LOL. I went to another of his workshops and also presented at the last Backspace. Did you attend that one as well?<br /><br />Lisa, fellow Deb, love the advice from Elizabeth. It's so true. If we can't move forward, too many questions have been sewn up. I find, also, that when I'm stuck it's because the scene lacks conflict. There may be a goal of sorts, but without conflict a scene is flat and boring. As a hisfic writer, this usually means I need to research and find something to stump my character.<br /><br />Kathy--thank you so much! (And will look up Alan Brennert. Sounds fascinating) :)<br /><br />Hank--I agree. I like romance novels, but there either needs to be suspense/mystery, an adventure of some sort or a heavy historical element or all of the above, re Diana Gabaldon!<br /><br />Gail--you'll have to read my next novel (muahahahaah. Evil laugh). :)<br /><br />Heather Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998406608932437532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-23177261066659978682014-01-07T16:44:02.374-05:002014-01-07T16:44:02.374-05:00me too on Major Pettigrew--loved that book!
Hank ...me too on Major Pettigrew--loved that book!<br /><br />Hank I've thought the same thing about writing romance lol<br /><br />Rhonda, an afternoon with Donald Maass will absolutely do that to one's brain...Lucy Burdette aka Roberta Isleibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660402177299546055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-7408375252974930412014-01-07T16:10:00.530-05:002014-01-07T16:10:00.530-05:00Ohmygosh! Hi, Heather! I think we may have shared ...Ohmygosh! Hi, Heather! I think we may have shared a cab on the way back to Grand Central after a Donald Maass workshop several years ago. Of course, I may be mistaken because we'd just come out of a grueling, fascinating day that scrambled our brains. Anyway, congratulations on the debut of BECOMING JOSEPHINE! Sounds like you got that "tension on every page" thing working :) WooHoo! Rhonda Lanehttp://rhondalane.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-7814553718991452072014-01-07T15:51:18.327-05:002014-01-07T15:51:18.327-05:00Julia, I LOVED Major Pettigrew! What a great exam...Julia, I LOVED Major Pettigrew! What a great example!Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519514786198185277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-6410384884779759302014-01-07T15:39:39.148-05:002014-01-07T15:39:39.148-05:00Congratulations on your debut, Heather! BECOMING J...Congratulations on your debut, Heather! BECOMING JOSEPHINE sounds like a must-read for me -- I love historical fiction (straight, romantic and mystery.)<br /><br />I teach a seminar on adding suspense to stories - although after reading Deb's post, I may start calling it narrative tension! The ultimate goal of any story - even narrative nonfiction - is to keep the reading exclaiming, "What happens next?" As for a non-mystery mystery, I have used MAJOR PETTIGREW'S LAST STAND in that same seminar. Will Major Pettigrew get the mate to his Raj-era pistol? Will Mrs. Ali be forced to relocate to her in-laws'? Will the community stop the unsightly ALL MOD CONS development? So much suspense!Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-73304813800445374982014-01-07T15:31:47.184-05:002014-01-07T15:31:47.184-05:00All interesting and on point -- your piece, Heathe...All interesting and on point -- your piece, Heather, and all the comments. But I am "dying" to ask about the lamb bone to polish marble! That's a mystery to me. Please solve that for me. Maybe I'm the last to hear of it? I look forward to reading your book.Gail in Seguin, TXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-19246092769409544562014-01-07T15:09:20.585-05:002014-01-07T15:09:20.585-05:00Kim and Lucy -- I know, great pearl of wisdom, rig...Kim and Lucy -- I know, great pearl of wisdom, right? Blew me away when I heard it. Light bulb -- on! Lisa Alberhttp://www.lisaalber.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-2568360240836513032014-01-07T15:07:06.810-05:002014-01-07T15:07:06.810-05:00Oh, I forgot that you asked what were some of our ...Oh, I forgot that you asked what were some of our favorite novels that aren't mysteries, Heather. One that comes to mind for me is Lori Lansen's The Girls. It is a tale about conjoined twins who are nearing their expected lifespan. The story is told in alternating chapters by the twins, and there is indeed mystery there, wherein ordinary becomes extraordinary and vice versa. <br /><br />Also, the historical fiction novels of Alan Brennert about Hawaii contain great layers of mysterious events.Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-75338796897189381132014-01-07T14:59:51.449-05:002014-01-07T14:59:51.449-05:00Wow, Heather, you put into words so eloquently wha...Wow, Heather, you put into words so eloquently what makes a great read for me. "Layering many, smaller mysteries in the story enriches a novel." How I love layering! And, then, as you state, the converging of all these layers and stories to connect into a grand finale. That every good book is a mystery is such an astute observation. Bonus--your wit in the article. Now, I will have to add your book to my short list of TBRs. Congratulations on your debut and what I predict will be a stellar career! Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-63476814066362738842014-01-07T14:55:47.002-05:002014-01-07T14:55:47.002-05:00Yes, Lisa, that's terrific advice. I'm goi...Yes, Lisa, that's terrific advice. I'm going to copy Lucy and put that up on my bulletin board.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15354719566758459929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-8760964679922553632014-01-07T13:37:27.663-05:002014-01-07T13:37:27.663-05:00Someone once asked me if I could write a romance w...Someone once asked me if I could write a romance without a mystery--and I said--really without thinking --"What would the characters DO?"Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-27719139611717222992014-01-07T13:32:15.238-05:002014-01-07T13:32:15.238-05:00LOL Debs:)
Lisa, that's a great idea. I'm...LOL Debs:)<br /><br />Lisa, that's a great idea. I'm going to try to remember that one--or at least write it on a little stickieLucy Burdette aka Roberta Isleibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660402177299546055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-54329805749322973632014-01-07T12:42:21.174-05:002014-01-07T12:42:21.174-05:00Heather! Fabulous to see you here! And I totally a...Heather! Fabulous to see you here! And I totally agree about the layers of mysteries, big and small. I remember Elizabeth George talking about this as it pertains to suspense. To keep suspense going you must always have open-ended questions. And if you get stuck in the first draft, check to see if you closed down too many of your questions too early.Lisa Alberhttp://www.lisaalber.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-50293684727820584452014-01-07T12:22:51.763-05:002014-01-07T12:22:51.763-05:00Kim, that's the idea:-)Kim, that's the idea:-)Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519514786198185277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-17132937104026011742014-01-07T12:15:10.020-05:002014-01-07T12:15:10.020-05:00Deb, I am SO thrilled that you liked my book. And ...Deb, I am SO thrilled that you liked my book. And I find it interesting what you say about the mystery aspect. I guess the marketing people at Random House got so gung-ho about pushing the book as a literary adventure that the mystery angle was lost to me. When I look at the book now I think, well, of course it's a mystery - but I didn't set out to write a mystery. I just think that was a matter of having no choice, since mysteries are what I love and mysteries are what I read - how could I write something that wasn't a mystery. Not sure if that makes sense :) In any case, it's interesting because I will be much more conscious of the mystery aspects in my next Asia novel. And I'm really enjoying working with more traditional mystery elements in my new series. <br /><br />As for your books, I've been making my way one by one through the Jungle Reds, and you're up next - I'm so excited. Reading the descriptions of each one, I've been salivating. Though I'm a little worried - I'm afraid once I get into Gemma and Duncan, I'll disappear until I've read every volume!<br /><br /><br />Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15354719566758459929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-81828595570683253032014-01-07T12:02:14.215-05:002014-01-07T12:02:14.215-05:00Sounds great, Heather. Best of luck!Sounds great, Heather. Best of luck!Jack Getzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09516237388744739669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-80250066125023127092014-01-07T11:41:20.450-05:002014-01-07T11:41:20.450-05:00Hi Heather! So great to meet you here. Your book...Hi Heather! So great to meet you here. Your book was already on my to-read list. And huge congrats on holding that first novel in your hands and seeing it in book stores. As Hallie says, there's nothing else like it.<br /><br />Whenever I give talks about plot, I always focus on "narrative tension," which is exactly what you've described. Any good novel is full of questions that the reader wants answered--must have answered! A central "mystery" just provides structure for all the other mysteries in a novel.<br /><br />Non-mystery favorite mysteries? How about Gone with the Wind? The Lord of the Rings? Deb Harkness's trilogy (I'm a huge fan, too.) I could go on all day..<br /><br />And Kim, so funny, I just finished The Map of Lost Memories--which I LOVED--and it never occurred to me that it wasn't a mystery! There is a murder, but we know who did it. But we don't know if Irene will find the treasure, if she will solve her mother's mystery, what she will do with the treasure if she does find it, what Simone will do if they find the treasure together, and whether Mr. Simms will live long enough for her for Irene to tell him what she's found. Not to mention the snakes and hostile tribesmen and mysterious monks...Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519514786198185277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-57589022367686765352014-01-07T11:22:01.566-05:002014-01-07T11:22:01.566-05:00Thank you, Heather. What I find interesting is how...Thank you, Heather. What I find interesting is how the "mystery genre" seemed to be very different in the mid-century. I'm reading the first Edgar award winner from the 1950s, and it reminds me more of Graham Greene than Agatha Christie. I feel like genres have gotten so confined because marketing has gotten so confined. I'm not sure how that will change, but here's hoping!<br /><br />And Rhys, I LOVE Kate Morton - she's the perfect example of what Heather is talking about.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15354719566758459929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-32425216888458556512014-01-07T10:14:41.273-05:002014-01-07T10:14:41.273-05:00Thank you for all of the congratulations and comme...Thank you for all of the congratulations and comments! I love hearing about books that other writers love. Like so many of you, it means my book list is continually growing. <br /><br />And you said it, Hallie--there's nothing like holding that book in your hands for the first time.<br /><br />Susan, great minds think alike. ;)<br /><br />Kim, first of all, congratulations! What a wonderful honor. Your story is really interesting. It just goes to show you that the market is changing. I wonder when good books will just be that--good books, and not categories or genre-specific. Time will tell.Heather Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998406608932437532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-81880976348095467162014-01-07T09:57:09.444-05:002014-01-07T09:57:09.444-05:00Hurray, Heather! And it looks fabulous. YoO must h...Hurray, Heather! And it looks fabulous. YoO must have done so much research..and I wish I could have seen your face when you first saw that gorgeous cover.<br /><br />Hamlet is a mystery, right? I always think about that. And we always talk about how "whydunnit" is as important as "Who"--because "why" is the most interesting question of all!<br /><br />I read Diana Henriques's incredible THE WIZARD OF LIES, about the Madoff scandal. Wow. And talk about mystery and intrigue and unanswwered questions, right?Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-30044883967145765092014-01-07T09:45:51.328-05:002014-01-07T09:45:51.328-05:00Welcome Heather and here's to success with the...Welcome Heather and here's to success with the book, which sounds fabulous.<br />My favorite non-mystery books are those by Kate Morton. The Forgotten Garden is my absolute favorite and there is plenty of mystery in the plot.<br />But then what book is not a mystery? We want to know what happens next, whether things will turn out badly for our hero.Rhysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-79815082996796189822014-01-07T09:34:56.958-05:002014-01-07T09:34:56.958-05:00Hi Heather,
Congratulations on your first novel!! ...Hi Heather,<br />Congratulations on your first novel!! <br /><br />This question you raise has been strong in my mind for a little over a year. As many of my fellow Redettes know, my first novel was a finalist for an Edgar Award. The thing is, it's not a mystery. So much so that no one in my circle - my publisher, editor, agent, publicist, etc. - nominated it. None of us can figure out how it got into the running. But clearly someone saw the mysterious elements in it: Will Irene find the temple? Will she discover her mother's secret? I was thrilled about the Edgar of course because I have long been a mystery lover, but now it makes me look at the mystery in every book I read (and write). For example, right now I'm reading Muriel Spark's first novel, "The Comforters," and I am loving the questions: Will Caroline figure out if she is living in reality or within the pages of a novel? Will Louisa's grandson figure out why there are diamonds hidden in the bread? And so on. I'm also reading numerous mysteries written by women in the 1950s, and I'm fascinated by how many are psychological mysteries rather than crime mysteries.<br /><br />You're so right, Heather - all good fiction must have the questions. The mystery must be there even if the book is not a classic mystery. I'm eager to read your new novel!<br /><br />Best, <br />KimKimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15354719566758459929noreply@blogger.com