tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post8493759453405797372..comments2024-03-28T21:31:13.672-04:00Comments on Jungle Red Writers: LAW & ORDER, UK STYLEJungle Red Writershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-62725223183134099912011-11-22T21:55:13.723-05:002011-11-22T21:55:13.723-05:00Law & Order TV Show has a fantastic storyline....<a href="http://download-laworder-episodes.sequd.com/" rel="nofollow">Law & Order TV Show</a> has a fantastic storyline. This is brilliantly executed show. I like it and I always watch it on net.zen powerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726375182368641406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-91904088952034002402011-11-22T16:15:42.869-05:002011-11-22T16:15:42.869-05:00Hi Lucy, St Hilda's is one of a kind. It is mu...Hi Lucy, St Hilda's is one of a kind. It is much more of an academic conference then for example B'Con, Left Coast Crime or Love is Murder. Every year a theme is chosen and authors are invited to give a paper using the theme as the background. The theme for the following year is always given at the end of each conference. If you don't mind I have attached a link to the blog I did on this years conference. http://alturl.com/zwqo5<br /><br />Hallie, yes you did get it correct! In the UK it is the same as that the accused is innocent until proven guilty. It is up to the defence to prove guilt.<br /><br />Hank, they have very strict reporting restrictions on cases here in the UK. If something is said that my prejudice the case (especially if the jury get to hear it) then it could be considered to be breach of the reporting restricions, perverting the course of justice etc. It could also give grounds for appeal. Anything can be said after the case has been heard but not beforehand. Counsel would never go and give a statement to reporters after a day's hearing in court. One place reporters do not want to find themselves is in front of the judge because they have said something they are not supposed to.<br /><br />Rhys, Rumpole was always a bit over the top and counsel would never behave the way he did in court in real life. Muttering an aside because he was not happy about what the judge said or answering back would not be tolerated. There is always an air of dignity in the courtroom.<br /><br />Jan, I have every sympathy for your brother. I also agree that the judges have a big hand in the way in which their courts are run especially when they sit alone. In the Court of Appeal in the UK when they sit in 3s it is the senior judge of the constitution that is in charge. When I worked for the President of the Family Division as his clerk I had a lot to do with ensuring that his court was run smoothly.Clerks in the UK are different than clerks in the US. They are not used the same way. <br /><br />Thanks Sean, pleased you enjoyed it!Ayo Onatadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00182517367944292315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-78468140873804135562011-11-22T15:54:55.925-05:002011-11-22T15:54:55.925-05:00Cool post, Ayo! Thanks for your insight.
If I wer...Cool post, Ayo! Thanks for your insight.<br /><br />If I were a defendant, I'd like to be the one wearing one of those funky wigs.Sean Chercoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00939494866272006802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-91308914078307935082011-11-22T12:45:25.713-05:002011-11-22T12:45:25.713-05:00Welcome Ayo,
Yes, as a big Rumpole fan, I was not...Welcome Ayo,<br /><br />Yes, as a big Rumpole fan, I was not burdened by actually knowing how the British system really worked. However, my brother is a Superior Court judge in New Jersey, and he's presiding judge, which means he has a big hand in making it run smoothly. There is a fairly successful mystery series that takes place in his courthouse. Luckily it is comedic, which covers an enormous amount of errors, but I got one of the books for my brother and he just couldn't even read it.Jan Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11323983086318138814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-67232614297029655002011-11-22T12:44:04.159-05:002011-11-22T12:44:04.159-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jungle Red Writershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-25555067683055321112011-11-22T12:08:35.450-05:002011-11-22T12:08:35.450-05:00Ayo, thanks for pointing out some of the key featu...Ayo, thanks for pointing out some of the key features of the British system. As an American lawyer, I think what Shaw said about the UK and US being "two nations divided by a common language" probably also described our legal systems!<br /><br />And you're right: if Jack McCoy were ever called before the State Bar Disciplinary Committee, he'd need a good defense lawyer!Leslie Budewitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11942314846112875042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-30123472359125473512011-11-22T11:44:05.815-05:002011-11-22T11:44:05.815-05:00Ayo, that is fascinating about the wigs. I think ...Ayo, that is fascinating about the wigs. I think if I were the defendant, I'd be more intimidated by the judge and prosecutors in wigs than without. It certainly makes sense that they should not be worn in Family Court, however.<br /><br />I suspect you've caught a few of us out. I have once or twice sped up DNA results, because the time frame of my stories is usually very compressed. But I've at least had an excuse, as in Kincaid having a contact in the lab and begging a favor, and I usually try to write around the DNA issue.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519514786198185277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-72382880053201665532011-11-22T11:18:53.878-05:002011-11-22T11:18:53.878-05:00Helloe Ayo: good to have you on Jungle Red. I ador...Helloe Ayo: good to have you on Jungle Red. I adored Rumpole but always questioned the way he was allowed to operate in court and to twist things around.<br /><br />Of course one has to adapt reality to make fiction exciting. Real police officers spend most of their lives doing paperwork or on extremely petty and boring cases.Rhys Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06663634889908752121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-89344312044399357562011-11-22T10:01:03.425-05:002011-11-22T10:01:03.425-05:00And how about news coverage? We have a dear friend...And how about news coverage? We have a dear friend who's a Brit--and he's astonished and appalled by what reporters in the US can say. Can you tell a bit about that?<br /><br />So lovely to see you here!Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-80340947824966825542011-11-22T10:00:19.430-05:002011-11-22T10:00:19.430-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hank Phillippi Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420701704169428286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-32386361159932214032011-11-22T09:17:25.234-05:002011-11-22T09:17:25.234-05:00So interesting, Ayo! I loved Leo McKern and Rumpol...So interesting, Ayo! I loved Leo McKern and Rumpole as well, and didn't give a toss (I wonder if I'm using that correctly) whether what he said/did was technically correct.<br /><br />I always thought that the British system was also different in the basic premise: in the US defendants are "innocent until proven guilt" so it's up to the prosecution to make their case; but in the UK isn't it different?Hallie Ephronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04759439029582054503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-29178023695021725022011-11-22T08:57:09.364-05:002011-11-22T08:57:09.364-05:00Great post, Ayo! I am a lawyer here in the US (wh...Great post, Ayo! I am a lawyer here in the US (what you would call a solicitor, though when I was younger, I was a barrister)and I share your frustration with TV shows that take too-great liberties with the law. There is enough disdain for lawyers out there without portraying us as oblivious to conflicts of interest, not to mention rude in court.<br /><br />Judge John Deed is unknown to me, and it sounds as though that is all to the good!Brenda Buchananhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14161539130987122737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-48850106867131637972011-11-22T07:22:16.605-05:002011-11-22T07:22:16.605-05:00Ayo, thanks so much for visiting us from across th...Ayo, thanks so much for visiting us from across the pond! I have a feeling we may have light traffic today because everyone's shopping for their Thanksgiving turkey...<br /><br />Could you tell us a little about the Crime Festival?Lucy Burdettehttp://www.lucyburdette.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-72187555719397211772011-11-22T04:50:07.150-05:002011-11-22T04:50:07.150-05:00Wigs! There is a long standing debate as to whethe...Wigs! There is a long standing debate as to whether or not wigs should still be worn. Some see the wearing of wigs as archaic, but I have also heard that in criminal cases the criminals prefer that the judges wear their wigs and also counsel as they then take the hearing a lot more seriously. Wigs are not worn by Judges in the Family Division as they want to be seen as a lot more relaxed when dealing with children. In the Supreme Court the Justices don't wear wigs or robes. They have also just agreed on Monday (21 November) to relax the dress code for counsel (as long as all parties agree). I am sorry to say that Rumpole was just as bad but enjoyable and even I managed to watch it without cringing too much. It must have been because of Leo McKern and "She who must be obeyed".Ayo Onatadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00182517367944292315noreply@blogger.com