tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post8855032620297322377..comments2024-03-28T07:27:17.868-04:00Comments on Jungle Red Writers: #FreeBritney!Jungle Red Writershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16646429819267618412noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-79624090810792154092021-07-18T01:13:11.950-04:002021-07-18T01:13:11.950-04:00It's vile that her freedoms have been shredded...It's vile that her freedoms have been shredded by the greed of others, especially people who should have protected her. My only "celebrity" experience was working with Mary Jo Eustace, when she was contributing an essay to my anthology, The Other Woman. She wrote about her husband leaving her for Tori Spelling. This happened only weeks after they had adopted a little girl. Mary Jo did a few bookstore readings with other authors from the book and the audience was always mesmerized...and outraged. Victoria Zackheimhttp://www.victoriazackheim.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-8721956063587406352021-07-17T20:57:44.749-04:002021-07-17T20:57:44.749-04:00Julia, the reason your sister has to do that is be...Julia, the reason your sister has to do that is because child actors were routinely ripped off by their parents, from the beginning of Hollywood (and of course earlier on the stage, but the sums and fame there were both smaller). Jackie Coogan, star of smash hit The Kid with Charlie Chaplin, was one the first to discover that his parents had spent all his money; he sued them in 1938 and in 1939 the Coogan Law was established. There were many loopholes (Shirley Temple's mother also spent her money, etc.) that have been gradually closed over the decades. <br />adkmilkmaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07284210196658542288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-48372509060281786682021-07-17T18:59:25.081-04:002021-07-17T18:59:25.081-04:00An excellent point, Sally. She's not well enou...An excellent point, Sally. She's not well enough to make decisions about her body, but she's well enough to rehearse and perform multiple shows over the past 13 years, both on tour and in Vegas.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-41930013808183360632021-07-17T18:57:41.609-04:002021-07-17T18:57:41.609-04:00I haven't seen it yet, but it looks fantastic....I haven't seen it yet, but it looks fantastic.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-13671701658038341292021-07-17T18:57:19.092-04:002021-07-17T18:57:19.092-04:00It's a smart thing to think about ahead of tim...It's a smart thing to think about ahead of time, Mary!Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-90184811235471177052021-07-17T18:56:50.223-04:002021-07-17T18:56:50.223-04:00Oh, good God. Pop singer. POP singer. :-POh, good God. Pop singer. POP singer. :-PJuliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-82688885645532194832021-07-17T17:54:09.870-04:002021-07-17T17:54:09.870-04:00If she is well enough to work to earn them money, ...If she is well enough to work to earn them money, she is well enough to manage her own affairs. What caring father would want his daughter performing in shows if she wasn't well? I guess this is part of how no one really knows how to handle mental problems. I hope Britney and anyone else having problems gets real help and not taken advantage of. Sally from PAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649707016754971847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-30291072315265118482021-07-17T14:59:34.191-04:002021-07-17T14:59:34.191-04:00Oh, I didn't know about the Val Kilmer documen...Oh, I didn't know about the Val Kilmer documentary. It's now on my list!Jenn McKinlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589365995413467367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-10696748592355846342021-07-17T14:11:19.203-04:002021-07-17T14:11:19.203-04:00I was surprised as well, Mark! Britney Spears was ...I was surprised as well, Mark! Britney Spears was the poop singer my kids listened to; in my head she was still a twenty-something. I was appalled to see she was going to turn 40 later this year. <br /><br />I agree with you, in a case with a supportive, caring family, this should have been something that guarded her assets and her health until she got back on her feet - like six months to a year. With a firm limit set on how much they can compensate themselves, like the law does for executors of estates.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-46746563909796960782021-07-17T14:06:44.817-04:002021-07-17T14:06:44.817-04:00As Joan said above, the fact her father spent 2 mi...As Joan said above, the fact her father spent 2 million out of HER estate to defend himself against her efforts to remove him tells you all you need to know.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-64041703265747103562021-07-17T14:05:08.559-04:002021-07-17T14:05:08.559-04:00Pat, I read the reviews of I CARE A LOT and I hone...Pat, I read the reviews of I CARE A LOT and I honestly found it so disturbing I decided not to watch it! I was thinking of cases like that when I wrote this post, however (absent the Russin mobster angle, of course)Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-69519780034139097912021-07-17T13:26:40.474-04:002021-07-17T13:26:40.474-04:00I didn't realize that. Apparently stealing fr...I didn't realize that. Apparently stealing from children was more common than I thought, if there are now union regs to protect the kids. Poor Brit. She's an adult. She should be able to take care of her own business any way she chooses, even if she did want to blow it all on drugs and bad haircuts. Clearly she has better sense than that now.Gigi Norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00495357787099352860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-20898179491750036572021-07-17T13:25:25.300-04:002021-07-17T13:25:25.300-04:00My nieces have been sharing info on this exploitat...My nieces have been sharing info on this exploitation, and yes, it does remind me of Victorian era treatment of inconvenieint women. Insidious forces seem consistently at work to curtail others' liberty, and especially so for women. Solidarity may be our only defense to maintain the gains we've made. At least they aren't hanging us as witches now . . . <br />Pat D. makes a good point, which was the plot of a book by Sue Grafton, I think, the care givers taking over and holding the patient hostage. I've made one niece my medical POA and am setting another in charge of finances should I become unable.<br />Mary Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952344253284240716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-38175963067953030502021-07-17T12:43:14.412-04:002021-07-17T12:43:14.412-04:00I've got to admit, I didn't realize she wa...I've got to admit, I didn't realize she was as old as she was. For some reason, I was thinking she was early 20's when she had her breakdown in 2008. Like 20, 21. Instead she was late 20's.<br /><br />Even then, I could see someone stepping in for six months or so until she got back on her feet. But all these years later? No way!<br /><br />And yes, I do think some of the male celebs who have had breakdowns should be subjected to the same thing when they are having their very public breakdowns. But again, six months. And those in charge get a very small amount of money for their work so as not to make them want to keep it in place. Something like $1000 a year.Mark Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567392254011373198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-22163409869482044582021-07-17T12:26:11.194-04:002021-07-17T12:26:11.194-04:00At first, I thought it might be good to have someb...At first, I thought it might be good to have somebody other than herself in charge of her money, to prevent her from throwing it all away. But, that was early on, when she was having serious mental issues. But, fourteen years later I wonder if her father ever had her best interests in mind. That these men should have made millions off of her is outrageous. That she doesn't have control over her own body is outrageous. That she has to perform according to when they want her to is outrageous. As already mentioned, there have been plenty of men celebrities who have exhibited questionable mental capacities, and nobody took all their rights away. At this point, I don't care if she would decide to give all her money to the Performing Monkeys Home, it should be her decision. Kathy Reelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004247271452356577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-40609043337967787822021-07-17T11:44:36.379-04:002021-07-17T11:44:36.379-04:00I think it is a terrible situation where the paren...I think it is a terrible situation where the parent victimizes his own child. May I suggest you watch a Netflix movie or limited series that will absolutely horrify you? "I Care a Lot" starring Rosamund Pike is about the practice of becoming a legal guardian or conservator of people deemed "at risk" which may be nothing more than being retired and living alone. A legal guardian can swoop in and put the victim in a nursing home, sell all the assets, and drain the proceeds. It made my skin crawl, watching this movie. Pat Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732230586783432052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-29811277698085383212021-07-17T11:39:00.829-04:002021-07-17T11:39:00.829-04:00Gigi, what's even more appalling is that child...Gigi, what's even more appalling is that child performers have more protection than Britney does. One of my nephews is a professional film and TV actor; his earnings go into a trust account and my sister has to submit detailed financial records about anything she might spend on his behalf. (Actually, she's saving his money for college, so she only spends her own money for travel, headshots, etc. If he were earning "regular at the Mickey Mouse Club" money, it would be a different story - but she'd still be required to document everything.)Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-85264902037346530792021-07-17T11:34:44.454-04:002021-07-17T11:34:44.454-04:00That's an important distinction, Jay - when I ...That's an important distinction, Jay - when I get angry at the men doing this, I'm thinking of the judge who has let this go on for years, and the lawyers and professional bag holders like Wallet.<br /><br />It's pretty clear Britney was the main revenue stream for her family, and when she had a breakdown at 27 (after working professionally since she was 11) her father panicked the gravy train was derailing. I also imagine it might have felt like a relief for a 27 year old dealing with divorce, child custody and a stressful career to have someone else take over all those decisions for her. Obviously, it's a lot less palatable to a grown woman pushing 40.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-20872581769328984362021-07-17T11:23:53.596-04:002021-07-17T11:23:53.596-04:00Amen!Amen!Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-31637950978516347742021-07-17T11:22:33.947-04:002021-07-17T11:22:33.947-04:00Judi, it is an uphill battle, and it continues. I&...Judi, it is an uphill battle, and it continues. I'm hopeful the even-more-widespread publicity around Britney will eventually lead to reforms in the adult conservator world.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-87519191818116132312021-07-17T11:20:52.327-04:002021-07-17T11:20:52.327-04:00Kait, thank you. I just checked - she started her ...Kait, thank you. I just checked - she started her independent career as a singer when she was 15. That's a LONG time to be supporting your whole family and a bunch of hangers-on.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-71522191299201285292021-07-17T11:18:46.948-04:002021-07-17T11:18:46.948-04:00Agreed, Judy.Agreed, Judy.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-53714988631489775882021-07-17T11:17:59.797-04:002021-07-17T11:17:59.797-04:00Yes! My mother was a young widow in the early 60s ...Yes! My mother was a young widow in the early 60s and she had to get her father to cosign the mortgage for her house, despite the fact she had more than enough assets and demonstrated income. She didn't have a credit card in her own name until 1979.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-76111519492437232982021-07-17T11:14:30.923-04:002021-07-17T11:14:30.923-04:00Oh, David, that's so hard for your friend. The...Oh, David, that's so hard for your friend. There comes a time when every parent of an adult child with mental disabilities or debilitating disorders has to relinquish personal care of that child. Some do it when their kid is 21, others not until death. I doubt there's ever any perfect decision.<br /><br />The irony is, in most states, the kind of group home your friend's daughter is in is much more heavily regulated than conservatorships. In Maine, for instance, they fall under the aegis of the Department of Health and Human Services; they are licensed, subject to inspection, and have regulations on their administration, staffing - even the food they offer the residents. And, of course, they also have a stopgap, because the family and friends of people in those group homes can and do raise complaints if necessary. <i>None</i> of those safeguards exist in most state conservatorships.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1001156153899984046.post-73306703387594283662021-07-17T11:01:46.130-04:002021-07-17T11:01:46.130-04:00Absolutely, Joan. I also read a comment by an ente...Absolutely, Joan. I also read a comment by an entertainment journalist that Britney is worth about $60million, which sounds impressive until you know her peers - performers who have been putting out music and shows at the same rate - have fortunes in the three digits. As the reporter said, where is the other 40 million she ought to have in the bank?Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553268569509053159noreply@blogger.com