Monday, July 21, 2025

Writing in THE OTHER's voice?

HALLIE EPHRON: I just finished reading a book that I absolutely loved. My daughter recommended NOTHING TO SEE HERE, and I was hooked from word one. 

It’s written from the point of view of a woman who agrees to take care of two little kids (children of a senator) who inconveniently literally catch fire when they’re upset. 

Sounds preposterous, and it’s only one of many preposterous things in an altogether lovely book. Page after page, it’s funny, bizarre, moving, and weirdly believable in equal parts. And sui generis in an intriguing way.


The biggest surprise came after I’d finished the book and wanted to remember the author’s name so I could check out her other books. Only turns out the author, Kevin Wilson, is NOT A HER.


I was flabbergasted. Because the voice of the main character is so compelling and the relationships (women friends, mother/daughter, children/nanny…) among the characters is so believable. I would not have believed that a guy could pull it off. (Shame on me!) 

So my question today for the REDS: What’s the POV character you’ve written who’s the most NOT YOU. How was it easy or difficult, and how could you tell if you’d gotten it right?

JENN McKINLAY: Oh, I LOVED that book. I listened to it on audio and the narrator Marin Ireland was superb. 

I write romcoms and occasionally do it in the male perspective. WAIT FOR IT is from the perspective of a man who’s had a stroke, making it particularly challenging. He’s probably been my biggest challenge to date. 

I think living with three men for over two decades helped me hone the masculine voice but it definitely required me to think and communicate differently.

HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: The most not-me…hmm. Maybe Henry Calloway, main character Tessa’s stay-at-home husband in ALL THIS COULD BE YOURS

He’s infinitely optimistic, totally flexible, looks at the world through rose-colored glasses–maybe a bit too much. He loves their kids, completely, but he’s definitely Fun Dad to Tessa’s stricter (but still loving) parenting. And there's that pesky can’t-keep-a-job thing. But that’s fine, Tessa’s income will keep them going, it’s ALL FINE.

I had to put myself in his head to see the world as optimistically as he does–no one is out to harm anyone. And everything will be fine. (It was fun to be there for a bit.) 

I talked to my audiobook reader today, in fact, and she described him perfectly. So now I’m–HA HA–optimistic that I got it right. 

RHYS BOWEN:
I have written several POV characters who were male: the whole Constable Evans series, Hugo in The Tuscan Child and Ben from In Farleigh Field. I didn’t find any of these particularly hard to do.

I’ve never tried writing from the antagonist POV, but I do it for myself as an exercise when I want to get into his head and feel his motivation. 

I suppose my biggest challenge is the one I’ve just completed in which I write a whole book in another writer’s style, in the POV of a Scottish policeman. Yes, that was not easy!

DEBORAH CROMBIE: Hmm, that's a hard one. I've written primary male characters from the beginning. I've written characters with different sexual orientations. I've written little bits from murderers' viewpoints, ugh, so they were certainly nothing like me. I don't honestly think about this too much because if I did I suspect it would be paralyzing.

But it occurs to me that I wrote a short story called The Case of the Speckled Trout for a Sherlock Holmes anthology (you and Hank are also in that one, Hallie!) in which the first person narrator is a mouthy teenaged girl called Sherry Watson. It is the only thing I've ever written in first person, and my characters are not normally sarcastic, so she didn't feel like me at all. It was also a blast to write and I absolutely loved it. 

LUCY BURDETTE: I’ve been thinking hard about this because most of my books are first person with female narrators. Except for the villain snippets in UNSAFE HAVEN–despicable character!

But Debs reminded me of my favorite short story, “The Itinerary”, which was published in the MWA anthology curated by Nelson DeMille. The narrator was Detective Jack Meigs, who appeared in the advice column mysteries. His wife had died of a long illness and he’d been sent to Key West on an unwanted vacation. 

I adored writing from his third person POV! Crabby, middle-aged, grieving detective who absolutely hated Key West–so much fun! 

JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: Half my books are always in Russ Van Alstyne's voice, and I used to joke it was easy writing believable men: just imagine what a woman would say and put about 1/4 of that in.

I have more difficulty writing out of age - especially young people from today. Knowing my 24-year-old daughter, it just seems as if those years, which I well remember in my own life, are genuinely different now. So the most "other" character I've ever voiced was a young-twenties former Marine (I know, once a Marine, always...) who was also a double amputee. That was a stretch.

My current WIP has a main character who's a 22 year old recent college grad, and I'm bouncing a LOT off Virginia to make sure I'm getting it right. If I tackle young people again, I'm going to set it in the eighties. I know what that's like!

HALLIE: My entire first series was written from the viewpoint of a male neuropsychologist (Dr. Peter Zak). 

I had the great good fortune of working with a lovely co-author who IS a male neuropsychologist, but that didn't keep me from getting it wrong through many many revisions until someone in my writing group pointed out that every time Dr. Zak was in conflict in another character, he'd APOLOGIZE his way out of it. (Which is what *I* do when I'm threatened.)

Once I saw it I could fix it. But we do have those pesky blind spots.

This got me thinking of all the others whose authors who seem (on the surface to be) performing some kind of magic act, narrating from the viewpoint of a character who is clearly NOT THEM. 

Think: Alan Rradley in THE SWEETNESS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PIE (narrating as Flavia de Luce, an 11-year-old amateur sleuth). Or Leonie Swann in THREE BAGS FULL (narrating as anthropomorphic sheep). It's magic.

What have you read and enjoyed that was written by an author who (on the surface, at least) seems very much UNLIKE their narrator?

41 comments:

  1. Jenn, I love WAIT FOR IT. I especially love the audiobook version. The male narrator (Andrew) makes it perfect.

    Debs, Duncan, Doug, Andy, you've created believable male characters.

    I think that Michael Connelly's Renée Ballard is an extremely controversial departure from Harry Bosch. Connelly aged his detective in real time and needed to retire him. The series is golden. What to do? Introduce a female character with native Hawaiian ancestry, make her a surfer and a bit of a wild child. Many fans rebelled. Both male and female readers hated her. Not me. Some storytellers just tell good stories.

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    1. Michael Connelly gave a talk this weekend at Book Passage (wonderful bookstore!) in Corte Madera, Ca, during their Mystery Writing Conference and I was there... he talked about the genesis of Renee Ballard and revealed that the series has been renewed.

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    2. Thank you so much, Judy. I love all of those guys. And now I want to read Renee Ballard!

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    3. Anon, you are welcome.
      Hallie, I would love to know the genesis of Renee Ballard. Is Connelly an interesting speaker?

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  2. I absolutely love Flavia de Luce! 2025 is going to be a big year for the 87 year old author, Alan Bradley with the release of book 12 in the series and a feature film called Flavia. I cannot wait!!

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    1. I still use the opening of the first one in the series to show how to open a book with the VOICE of the narrator. "It was as black in the closet as old blood. They had shoved me in and locked the door."

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    2. Ooh, that opening gave me the shivers!

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  3. Interesting comments from each of the Reds . . . I've enjoyed all of their books [maybe I can hunt up those short stories???] . . . to be honest, this idea of a character so unlike the author is something that never occurred to me . . . .

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  4. I've never found anything jarring when any of you Reds have written in the voice of someone unlike you, so you're clearly doing it right.

    I haven't written from the POV of a man, at least nothing that made it to publication, but my books have a decent share of male characters, so their dialog is there. I've written several short stories in the head of the criminal - those are super fun and are probably the characters the least like me.

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    1. Yes, even dialogue can be distinctively male or female. As long as it doesn't stray into cliche. (I remember reading a novel with a Hispanic female character (the author was not Hispanic) and every time that character opened her mouth, she say "Ay, carramba" (just in case the reader had forgotten who she was??)... it was quite distracting.

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  5. The book that immediately jumps to mind is She's Come Undone by Wally Lamb, which I read ages ago. The main character is a 13-year-old girl, which Mr. Lamb is not, as far as I can tell. I think this is the book that gave me the courage to attempt writing from a male POV (Pete Adams).

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    1. Oh, I so remember reading She's Come Undone and being so moved by it. I wasn't yet a "writer" so it never occurred to me what a magic act Lamb was pulling off.

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  6. My first thought was of Attica Locke, whose main character is a male Texas Ranger. In spite of having no personal knowledge of such men, it rang true for me.

    But that got me to think of something else. Have you ever read a book where you did not know the gender of the main character? Did it matter? Or in your mind did you just assign a gender?

    In a children's story I wrote I deliberately did not say whether the character was a boy or a girl. Nor did I give any hints because I wanted the reader to make the character be someone like himself. I had named the character, but one of those names that you are never sure if they are male or female. It didn't make any difference in my story, which was mostly about the child and a dog. The dog, however, was female and I'm not sure why that was. Maybe because there had been so much talk about a previous dog, a saint of a dog, that the child only remembered as an old dog, that did nothing but lie around and sleep and fart. That dog was male.

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    1. Lisa in Long BeachJuly 21, 2025 at 11:57 AM

      It’s always interesting what our brain fills in when a gender or race isn’t immediately revealed. A good challenge to our default settings.

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    2. How true, Lisa - it's something that a good writer can take advantage of.

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  7. I think one of the first times I really thought about this in a book was the early Spenser novels by Robert Parker. He wrote a black man as Spenser's wingman and friend--but managed to make Hawk a complex character. It would've been so easy to let him just be a stereotype. And of course, Parker's not black. It made me think about authors writing characters who were not themselves--and I pay attention to that in books I read. Side-chick females? No, thanks. Hunky boyfriends with no real depth except being muscle-bound? No, thanks.

    And seriously, this is not an issue I've ever encountered in anything I've ever read by a Red.

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    1. Well, I should hope not! I do think you're taking a risk as an author when you make a big leap in writing a narrator who's NOT similar to yourself. But the rewards are huge (when it works!)

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  8. How about those stories that are written from the POV of a dog:

    Spencer Quinn's Chet & Bernie books
    Robert Crais' excellent stand-alone, SUSPECT.
    Maggie is now the K-9 partner with LAPD Officer Scott James. But she served three tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan until her handler died in a bomb blast.

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    1. I know, I know! It's quite a tour de force when it works.

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  9. HALLIE: Off the top of my head, Alexander McCall Smith writes from the perspectives of women - ISABEL DALHOUSIE, PRECIOUS RAMOSTOWE, and the women who runs the Passion business in Edinburgh. Alison Montclair writes about two women who run a Introduction agency in postwar London. Agatha Christie created Hercule Poirot. Dorothy Sayers created Lord Peter Wimsey.

    Which novel had the Scottish policeman, Rhys? I thought I read all of your novels and I cannot recall a policeman except for Watts (sounding like What?) in one of the Lady Georgie novels and for Constable Evans.

    Amazing how the JRW authors are able to write from the male perspective.

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    1. Read Rhy’s comment, the answer to your question is in it.

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    2. I think for most of us, having "beta" readers who can tell us if we've gotten it wrong/right is essential.

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  10. So glad you brought up Nothing to See Here, Hallie. That was one of the most original stories ever, and I also listened to the audiobook, which was well read. Kevin Wilson absolutely nailed the perspective.

    I was also going to mention Alexander McCall Smith, a prim, petite Scottish gentleman, writing as a "traditionally built" Botswanan lady detective. And Alan Bradley's Flavia de Luce is like a conjuring trick!

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  11. I absolutely loved NOTHING TO SEE HERE, too, and still find myself thinking about it sometimes. Another book that I absolutely loved was also written by someone seemingly completely different from the character in whose voice the story was told: WHEN WE WERE VIKINGS, told in the voice of a 21-year-old female with cognitive disabilities, was written by Andrew David MacDonald, a young male author. (I was saddened to learn today when I looked into it that he has not yet published a second book and I could find no further information about any WIP.) Other than those two, though, I have to admit I rarely think about whether the voice of the narrator is like the voice of the author.

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    1. ...which means the narrative voice is WORKING in those books... so much so that it doesn't draw attention to itself.

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  12. Happy to see someone else mention Three Bags Full, a favorite book. The sequel Big Bad Wool has finally been translated into English--have on reserve at library. Marjorie

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    1. Count me a fan, too. I was laughing out loud from page 1.

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  13. Giving a shout out to our friend Terry Shames here for her wonderful Samuel Craddock.

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  14. This is all so interesting. I don't think I've ever started out thinking, "I'm going to write a character who is really different from me." I just sort of launch myself into that person, if that makes any sense.

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    1. I read a lot of unpublished manuscripts and it's a HUGE barrier for the reader when the viewpoint doesn't feel genuine. It's something new writers usually have to work hard at.

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  15. Lisa in Long BeachJuly 21, 2025 at 11:59 AM

    Thank you for the reminder that NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO PANIC by Kevin Wilson fell off my Libby TBR.

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  16. There's Allison Montclair who is really Alan Gordon, writing so well about Bainbridge and Sparks.

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  17. A little late, but several Japanese books come to mind written from the mind of a cat. Then there is A Dog's Purpose by W Bruce Cameron. Joy Ellis (Nikki Galena series) often includes the voice of the bad guy in her novels. I love Flavia Deluce!

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    1. That always gives me the shivers when the author narrates from the villain's perspective. Tess Gerritsen is particular creepy at that.

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  18. I've written from a male POV from the start of the Laurel Highlands series. I do the Jackson Davis books from a 1st person male POV. I don't find it difficult (having been around guys a lot) and I have two male critique partners who help me tweak it from time to time. Although a recent review for SHATTERED SIGHT attributed the fact that Jackson is a male character with "emotions" to the fact that I'm a woman. I didn't know men didn't have emotions. Not showing them is something completely different, is it not?

    But probably the main character that is most unlike me is Miss Adelaide Phillips, a 60-something spinster who is the protagonist of a short story I just finished. And the story is set in the 70s.

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    1. Ha! That's so interesting. (and good for you for having critique partners)
      I do think that critic is out to lunch.

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