Thursday, December 7, 2023

A Quick Trip to Spain and Portugal @topretirements


LUCY BURDETTE: As you might have seen on Facebook or Instagram, John and I had a lovely trip to Portugal and Spain in October. I was going to write up the highlights for you, but John beat me to it--and agreed to share it here...(ps if you're not interested in those retirement communities below, feel free to skip right over--I couldn't figure out how to delete!)

JOHN BRADY OF TOP RETIREMENTS Spain and or Portugal retirements are very popular, as they are for tourism. Americans and Europeans are checking out these two countries, not only as great places for a retirement trip, but for where to retire too. Your editor recently spent 2 happy weeks touring some of the best tourist spots on the Iberian Peninsula, the home of Spain and Portugal. Our hope is that this experience might help you plan a potential trip to the region. And, it might help you learn what it might be like to retire in one of these amazing countries.

Portugal Retirement Trip

This beautiful, dry country has a long western coastline on the Atlantic Ocean that in the south curves eastward past Gibraltar to the Mediterranean.  Lisbon, near the coast, is the capital and largest city.  Portugal’s cost of living is one of the lowest in Europe (65th highest in the world – the U.S. is 12th), the country is safe, and the food and wine are excellent.  The country has a complicated history – Celts, Phoenicians, Roman, Visigoths, the Moors (Arabs), and its eventual retaking by the Crusaders.  Towns and buildings reflect that heritage within their walled cities, Roman ruins, and Christian cathedrals what were often Muslim mosques.

The cities and towns we visited here in Portugal and Spain are some that are especially popular with tourists, although there are dozens more worth checking out. While there we stayed or visited many posadas (inns), paradores (a network of 97 state-run hotels in restored Castles, Monasteries, Convents, Fortresses, Palaces), and alcazars (Moorish castles). 

Monument to the Discoveries honors Portugal’s seafaring exploits

Lisbon. This city of hills is a mix of old and (relatively) new, thanks to a massive earthquake that occurred in 1755. Many of the great buildings and parks in the city were built after that event. One of its top attractions is the Monastery of Jeronimos, a huge and grand former convent located near the port where Columbus left Portugal to discover America.

Roman temple in Evora

Evora, a university town with thousands of students, is possibly the prettiest city in this beautiful country. Most of its original walls still exist. A preserved Roman temple is a highlight, along with the enormous Cathedral of St. Francis and its amazing chapel built entirely of human bones. It would make a great place to retire.

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What some other best places to retire in Portugal?

North of Lisbon along the coast towns like Cascais  are  popular with retirees from Europe and America. They offer old charm as well as access to great beaches.  The Algarve, which is located in the south coast near Gibraltar, has a collection of villages and is one of the first places that most people think of when they consider a Portuguese retirement.

A Spain Retirement: Another great trip

This country has a small strip of Atlantic Coast above Portugal, and a much longer coastline running southward from France along the Mediterranean.  It also has plenty of mountains and towns that provide an enormous choice of great places to retire or visit. Spain has become a very prosperous county with a modern infrastructure that makes America look like a second world country. Bullet trains and modern highways crisscross the nation, and healthcare is free to everyone. Most cities restrict private cars, so traffic moves and pedestrians can safely navigate city streets. Cost of living in lower than in the U.S. (57th in the world).

Teatro Romano

Merida. Another town with some of the most extensive Roman ruins in the country. The coliseum and theatre were discovered in recent times and provide great insight into Roman times. Note: Gladiator battles weren’t quite like in the movies. The owners of the fighters didn’t want them getting killed in their first fight after investing in their training, so in many cases it was like TV wrestling.

Entrance to the old city of Cormona – the stones in the walls reveal changing empires

Carmona. Like most others in this southern part of the country, it has Roman and Moorish origins.  Perched on a commanding hill high above the surrounding plains, the stones in its towering walls and main gates reflect centuries of conquests and reconquests. The site of its old coliseum in the center of town is a busy town square (actually a circle). There is a also a newer town outside of the old walls, which would be a quiet inland place to retire.

We stayed in this alcazar (castle) in Carmona, now a Parador
The Real Alcazar in Seville is still used by the King and Queen

Seville. No visitor to Spain should miss this livable city. Along its main avenue amazing buildings built for the Ibero-American Exposition of 1929 dazzle the eye. The huge Place de Spana was built to highlight the wonders of the host country for that exposition.  Most of these buildings have been repurposed as government or cultural buildings, while others still serve as embassies. The highlight of the city is the gigantic cathedral, the 3rd largest in the world, along with the Real Alcazar, a gigantic Moorish castle.  The winding streets and big plazas of the old city make this a great place to visit.

Ceiling detail in the Real Alcazar
Inside the Mosque/Cathedral of Cordoba

Cordoba.  The color cordovan gets its name from the building stones used in this ancient city. The mosque/cathedral of Cordoba is a stunning example of the country’s complicated history. Originally built as a vast mosque, after the Christian conquest it was repurposed into a gigantic cathedral. Moorish and Christian building details merge in various parts, and there is actually a church within a church in one section. 

The catholic church within the Cordoba mosque
The “New” bridge in Ronda (completed 1793)

Ronda is many people’s favorite town in all of Spain. Part of the attraction is that it was a built atop a huge gorge on a high hill. The two oldest sections of the town are spanned by the “New Bridge” (1793).  Winding streets give way to stunning views of the countryside and the chasm below. St. Mary’s is a fabulous old cathedral, and there is an equally interesting alcazar as well as the preserved ruins of Arab baths. Families, many of them nobility or very wealthy, have huge compounds hidden by old facades.

Church and square in Ubeda

Ubeda.  Another walled small town on a hill, Ubeda is a bit off the beaten path and less visited than some other places. Its parador sits on a large square near one of several impressive churches. On the main square children play soccer and old people gossip and sip coffee or wine. Private mansions line the streets hidden behind gigantic old wooden doors.

Toledo from across the river
Inside St. Mary’s Cathedral in Toledo

Toledo. The view of Toledo on a hill from the opposite side of the River is all you need to see to believe this a beautiful city. Its main attraction is St. Mary’s Cathedral, one of the largest and flamboyant in the world.

A ceiling in the Alhambra

Granada. Alhambra, a colossal castle build by the Moors and later added on by Spanish royalty with a huge castle of their own (and never lived in), is a high point of a Granada visit.  The mosaics, tile work, intricate wooden ceilings in this World Heritage site make it one of the top tourist sites in the world (tickets to see it are limited and many visitors are disappointed).

An old tavern in Madrid (red color mean they specialized in red wines)

Madrid. We were blown away with what a beautiful, safe, and livable city this is. It certainly rivals Paris in that regard. It has many areas, old and new. The older parts have narrow streets lined with old shops and restaurants offering local specialties like fried calamari or hot chocolate and churros.  There are castles, cathedrals, and some of the world’s top museums to visit (the Prado and the Queen Sofia are just two). The streets are pedestrian friendly as only local residents can drive in certain parts of the city. 

What are some other best places to retire in Spain?

The Costa del Sol on the Mediterranean has been home to countless retirees for a long time. People come for the warm winters, good food and wine, beautiful beaches, and low cost of living. Other parts of the country attract retirees as well, and those include Sebastian and big cities like Barcelona, Seville, Toledo, and Madrid. Almeria is an old Moorish town in the Southeast near the coast. Ronda is especially beautiful. Whether you choose a place on the coast, a city, or a town in the hills or mountains, there is a huge range of affordable places to live with a relaxed, healthy lifestyle. The country is safe and available healthcare is excellent.


Can an American retire to Spain or Portugal?
The short answer is yes, but unless you are a resident of the European Union, it might be possible for only 3 months at a time without an additional visa. You can own property in these countries as a foreigner.  Portugal’s popular Golden Passport program, which allow investors and purchasers of real estate a way into residency, was modified this year. Apparently so many foreigners were buying real estate it disrupted the market.

USA citizens can reside in Spain longer than 90 days (out of every 180), by applying for a “Non-working residence visa”, provided they can justify they have the financial means to do so.  However, if they live in Spain more than 180 days a year, they become fiscal residents there. As many other countries, Spain has a tax treaty with the USA, so that one does not have to pay taxes in both countries. However,  one still has to file a tax report every year in each country. Uncle Sam is, together with Eritrea (!), the only country whose citizens have to declare taxes every year, no matter where they live. 

For more information on each country see our Mini-Retirement Guides: Portugal and Spain.

Spain and Portugal Retirement


Finally

Both Spain and Portugal can be ideal countries to retire in. They offer a great, relaxing lifestyle and a lower cost of living. Would you ever consider retiring abroad? 

For further reading

Elizabeth Loves Her Retirement in Portugal

Note: Our excellent trip was made through Princeton Alumni tours capably led by Joy Allen. (alumni tours like these are great because the groups are congenial and there are usually interesting lectures on the area by one of the professors). Odyssey Adventures handled the trip details.

47 comments:

  1. What an amazing trip! So many beautiful cathedrals and castles and landscapes [thanks for sharing the pictures] . . . it does sound like a lovely place to live. Would I consider retiring abroad? Probably not . . . I'd miss my family too much.

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  2. Jealous. A trip of any kind is sounding awesome right about now.

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  3. I don't know about retiring there but I would love to visit for a few weeks. Italy is also on my list.

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  4. Thanks, John and Lucy! Nice travelogue.

    A Cincinnati friend and her husband moved to Ericeira Portugal almost five years ago, and they absolutely love it. She made her living as a highly talented landscape designer, and I suspect part of the draw was yearlong weather for gardening, as well as the proximity to beaches and lots of hiking areas.

    When I went to Ecuador about a dozen years ago our guide told us about Americans moving there in retirement because of the low cost of living, and because they use the American dollar as their monetary unit. Until then I'd never considered living elsewhere, but since then have known other friends who moved to Costa Rica for the same reason. Excellent healthcare, low cost of living, beautiful surroundings.

    Our kids already live all over, so it wouldn't be a hardship for them if we picked up and moved. Not sure my husband would go for it, though!

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    1. You've just finished getting the new place set up! We've heard of people moving to Panama as well for $ reasons and healthcare.

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    2. It seems that way, but I realized last night this is already our FIFTH Christmas in this house!

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  5. I lived in Spain for my junior year abroad and this brought back so many memories. I have to say, think Alhambra is worth it, but even better (20 years ago) there was a plaza with an excellent view across the way with some bars and outside tables (of course! this is Spain) lovely memory of getting some wine with friends there and watching the sun set.

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  6. Thank you John for this great summary of those two countries. I've been to Portugal quite a few times but not for many years. As for Spain, I've only explored Barcelona and the Coast north of it, and that was over 20 years ago. I'm due back for a visit!

    I don't want to move too far away from grandchildren though, now that I actually have one, so I won't be retiring there. And we all know how much Elizabeth Vardan loves Portugal, and rightly so!

    (I am writing this morning from a beautiful hilltop in Las Marias, in Western Puerto Rico, sitting on the patio where my son and his wife live. An excellent change of scenery for a few days from northeastern Massachusetts.)

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  7. What a great report John. Thanks so much for sharing it. I'd love to move to either Portugal or Northern Spain, but I'd have to convince a ton of family as I couldn't leave the grandkiddos. I would love to be able to relocate for 3+ months a year to Spain or Southern France.
    Also John have you done a retirement review of England? If yes, can you share the link please? Thanks again.
    And Lucy glad you both had a wonderful trip. I am always amazed at the architectural engineering feats of the ancient Romans and those who followed building the spectacular cathedrals, bridges, etc. Today's buildings here in Southern Calif last a few decades before they are torn down and "remodeled." Sigh!

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    1. As Joan said above, for many people, leaving family is the rub!

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  8. What beautiful pictures. The Girl and a friend of hers, who is a Spanish national, have a dream of buying a vacation house there some day.

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    1. I told her that. She said, "Well, I suppose we could have a guest bedroom. But these places are really small, Mom." Kids!

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  9. Thanks for all the great comments. No, haven't done a review of retirement in England - but maybe that should be on the list! Here is a list of other "Bucket List" trips we have taken (India, Costa Rica, Antartica, etc.). https://www.topretirements.com/blog-category/bucket-lists/ Also, the International category on my Blog covers more aspects of International retirement, including a wonderful piece by Elizabeth Vardan on her retirement experiences living in Portugal (she loves it!). https://www.topretirements.com/blog-category/international-retirement/

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  10. Sorry, that last Anonymous was me. One of the interesting things our professor presented was the curious past of Spanish tourism efforts. During the Franco years and even beyond, they spent a lot of money on a bizarre campaign that failed to highlight most of the interesting reasons why you want to visit Spain - its long and varied legacy under so many conquerors among them. We were fascinated by the history and the beauty of the country. Madrid is up there with Paris as a livable, beautiful city.

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    1. Hi again John. Thanks for all this great info. and I'm looking forward to reading your about the other trips you posted. I just read the interview you did with Elizabeth Vardan and got a lot out of it. I've seen her posts here and always enjoy her comments. My husband and daughter visited Spain back in 2005 and still talk about how much they loved the country. I think our (my hubby & I) next trip will be to Spain and Portugal. Will keep a look out for any possible upcoming England retirement reports. Lucy may have read the Richard Osman books about all the crime and murder that happens in English retirement communities! So if you do go to England watch out. LOL!

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    2. I adore the Richard Osman books. We should all go to his retirement community when the time comes. We could help those characters!

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  11. I visited Spain & Portugal during my first solo Europe trip in 1986. I was stunned by visiting Alhambra, and remember drinking the best glass of freshly squeezed orange juice in Seville. Also shocked to see hundreds of oranges left rotting on the streets.

    And I remember eating my first paella in Spain and the best grilled mackerel in Estoril, Portugal.

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    1. Oh, I forgot to mention that going back to Spain to walk the Camino is on my bucket list. More than a dozen members of my regular walking group have done it. I started that 1986 trip in Santiago de Compostela & would love to go back.

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    2. We learned that many of oranges in Seville and other cities are sour aka bitter oranges, so not good for eating or juice. Maybe it's true that was done purposely so the trees wouldn't be stripped? They are famously used for English orange marmalade...

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    3. Ah, thanks for the explanation, Roberta. It still seems such a waste of precious fruit! When I buy marmalade, it's usually Seville marmalade. And it's no surprise that most of my strongest memories of Spain & Portugal focused on food, lol.

      I also saw those cathedrals in Toledo & Cordoba on that trip. Your inside photos are way better than mine.

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    4. GRACE: Currently reading a memoir by Andrew McCarthy about his travels through Spain with his son. They walked the Camino and it is an interesting read.

      Diana

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    5. DIANA: Thanks for letting me know about Andrew's book. I found Walking with Sam: A Father, a Son, and Five Hundred Miles Across Spain online.

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  12. I really enjoyed this report, especially since in October my husband and I were also in several of the Spanish cities you've mentioned. The quality of the Roman ruins in Mérida amazed us, and the beauty of the Moorish buildings in Sevilla, Córdoba, and Granada took my breath away.

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  13. Thanks for the great travelogue and retirement recommendations. I've never been to Spain or Portugal, although I have many friends who have traveled in both countries--two dear friends walked the Portuguese camino a few years back. My son studied Spanish in Granada for a couple of months and had an amazing time. The school is called Carmen de las Cuevas and offers classes in flamenco dance and guitar as well as Spanish language and culture.

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  14. Oh, this is absolutely riveting… And the photos are amazing. (We are going to Portugal in April, so we will have to consult!) My father’s wife was cultural affairs officer at the US embassy in Lisbon for years, and is incredibly fond of Portugal – – sings its praises, and knows all the inside stuff :-) ! I’d love to hear more about the food, too!

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  15. I love the red paint on the tavern signaling they specalize in red wines. I don't know if I'd ever consider retiring overseas -maybe Ireland or Italy. aprilbluetx at yahoo dot com

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  16. What a fabulous trip, Lucy. Thanks so much for sharing. Spain and Portugal are on the top of my list of travel destinations. Loved, loved, loved the pics and info!

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  17. Yes the the photos, the explanations of each city's pro & cons (very helpful) and would love to have more infor on favorite accommodations and favorite restaurants.

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  18. Thanks to both John and Elisabeth for their insights into living abroad! I’ve wanted to visit Portugal ever since I was a teenager, in the sixties. It’s doubtful that I’ll ever get there, so reading about it is the next best thing.

    DebRo

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  19. Intriguing. What a great travelogue. Thanks, John!

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  20. Wonderful travelogue, Lucy! Thank you for sharing your experiences.

    You mention the health care is free. I wonder about the quality of health care there. A dear friend is a doctor here in America and he lives part time in Portugal with his husband. They bought an apartment in Portugal and already live part time there. They are seriously thinking of emigrating to Portugal.

    Diana

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    1. Ask your friend. Less people care is probably comparable.,

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  21. Our guide from Spain told us that the people of Spain are especially proud of two things: their health care system as well as the public transportation. We didn't have experience with the health care system, fortunately, but from what we could see public transport is amazing. High speed trains crisscross the country, every city has great buses, trams, or subways, and the cities have huge pedestrian only areas that make walking around a joy. They have huge parking lots on the outskirts adjacent to mass transit.

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  22. Hello, John, I enjoyed this post so much. As you know, my husband and I retired to Braga, Portugal almost three years ago and love it here. We've spent most of our travel time in Galicia Spain, and we've been to Madrid, but Toledo, Seville, and Granada are still on our list, especially since we have a friend from Toledo, so this was a nice reminder. As for Portugal, we have yet to see Lisbon or Evora, but very much want to remedy that this year. It sounds like you and Roberta had a wonderful time.

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    1. we thought about you in Braga, Elizabeth, but there wasn't time to get there...

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    2. Elizabeth, may I ask about the quality of health care that you get in Portugal? Diana

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    3. Roberta, Portugal is always worth a second trip☺️.

      Bibliophile, we are quite happy with our health care. We automatically get national care, and the doctors are good, but the system is stretched so thin , it takes time to get an appointment. So, we also have private care through a hospital within walking distance for very low cost. Again, the doctors are excellent.

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    4. Happy to hear about the excellent health care.

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  23. I so enjoyed this post, Lucy and John. And especially Elizabeth's Q&A!

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  24. Regarding the food in Spain and Portugal. Roberta had a little more trouble with it than me. For a Mediterranean country, vegetables were hard to find on the menu. In the paradors and posadas the food could be quite mediocre. But when Roberta scouted out places on Trip Advisor the results were extraordinary. In Lisbon, a tiny restaurant run by a couple (she cooked, he served), Prova, had the best meal of the trip. And in Ronda a small restaurant at the foot of the town was exceptional. Eating late is always a problem, as we were always the first in and all alone at 7:30!

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    1. John, I recall that my Spanish language teacher told us about him and his wife travelling to Spain. They serve TOO much food and that people have siesta (naps) in the Afternoon.

      Glad you and Roberta / Lucy found wonderful places to eat!

      Diana

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    2. John, we found the cuisine an adjustment at first because we are vegetarians, although we do eat fish and seafood. We like most Portuguese dishes as we get to know them better, but we do miss Mexican food and Chinese food (almost Californian staples), but I can cook some of our favorite Mexican dishes at home. Meanwhile, there are some good vegetarian restaurants in Braga, some good Italian restaurants (another cuisine we love) and recently an Indian restaurant opened and their food is really good. Plus, we discovered an Indian market (my husband is from India), which means we no longer have to order our supplies online. So we are in 7th heaven. ☺️

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