Monday, August 9, 2021

Gotta Have It!



This is a stock photo, not MY real sandwich

HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN
: I was talking with some friends the other day about my food cravings. For the past--oh, couple of months of the pandemic, I’ve had a turkey sandwich, half of one, really, with Swiss cheese on marble rye. With mustard, and tomatoes. With pickles on the side, and three lime siete chips. Don’t you get tired of that, you might say? And that’s the thing. No.

For a while I had oatmeal every morning, with raspberries. I could not wait to have it.

At one point in my life, I could not wait to get home from work to have a baked potato with sour cream and broccoli. I honestly thought about it during the day. I could not wait.

And then at another point in my life, all I ate was Lean Cuisine lasagna with extra broccoli.

At another time, every morning, I had a toasted sesame bagel with strawberry jam.

What causes these things? Why do they shine so brightly for some amount of time, and then suddenly--well, let me say if NOW I saw a toasted sesame bagel with strawberry jam, I would run to the other room.

Why are there things that we love so passionately? And then why does it happen that we don’t anymore. Have you ever had a food that haunted you and tantalized you? Only to have it vanish from your list at some point?


JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING
: Well, when I was a small child, the ONLY thing I would eat for breakfast was Cap’n Crunch Cereal. Often while watching Captain Kangaroo, so I was obviously 1) very consistent and 2) a military dependent.

This is a stock photo. Not Julia's real tomatoes.

I’m happy to eat the same favorite over and over, especially when
it’s something in season. I can have a tomato sandwich with Miracle Whip every day of the summer and still be sad when the local tomatoes are done. The only things that ever vanished off my list are items I ate the last day before first trimester morning sickness took over. To this day, the thought of packaged turkey slices or hard boiled egg on a salad makes my stomach lurch.


JENN McKINLAY: Cake. I could eat cake for breakfast every single
Not Jenn's cake.

day. Oh, I suppose I would not like the SAME cake every single day so it’s not really the point, except that I will never ever ever ever get tired of cake. Ever.

As for eating the same thing every day, I think I’m too random for that probably from years of eating whatever was leftover on the Hooligans’ high chair tray - goldfish crackers, blueberries, chunks of cheese, etc. - before dashing off to the next adventure, chore, or activity.

RHYS BOWEN: Hank, I can understand these so well. I’ve had periods when I have to eat one thing, every day. When I was in high school I had to have a cracker with Marmite and a pickle on it every day for a couple of months (and no, I wasn’t pregnant!)

John is more a creature of habit than me. He’d willingly eat the same thing every day. We do have the same breakfast every weekday: sardines on toast. I’m not a huge fan but John insists it’s keeping us alive. And since I am still alive, who am I to argue? At weekends we have scrambled egg, or sometimes a full English breakfast. So naughty.

I find I switch between craving something sweet and savory. For a while I’d want a cookie with my tea at four o’clock. Recently it’s been celery dipped in hummus or peanut butter. And I’d eat grilled cheese for lunch every day if I didn’t worry about cholesterol. 

Yup. Stock chips.

And potato chips with a glass of wine before dinner every night too!

DEBORAH CROMBIE:
Potato chips with wine, Rhys! How daring of you!

Cheese toast has been my default craving since I was a child. Anytime things are getting me down, or I don't feel tip-top, I want cheese toast. Sharp cheddar, please, sometimes with tomato, sometimes with pickle (the British kind, like a chutney,) sometimes just plain.

The last year or so, my absolute must-have every day has also been...toast. But toast for breakfast, the seeded multigrain sourdough made by a local bakery, toasted really crisp with a little butter, eaten with a smear of almond butter and a smear of strawberry spread. I live for this! Oh so crunchy and delicious! When the bakery wasn't delivering to my local shop for a couple of months, I was desolate.

Looks yummy, huh?

LUCY BURDETTE
: Me too on the cheese toast Debs, especially on half of a good bagel (poppyseed and everything are my favorites), covered with candied jalapenos, and served over arugula. Every single day for lunch. I wouldn’t have the same thing for dinner every night, but for some reason, I have to eat this lunch.

And I do love cake too--especially homemade yellow cake. I’m eating more chocolate than I used to because of the company I keep :-).

HALLIE EPHRON: My craving: Chinese dumplings. The kind you get at a good dimsum place.With a side order of Chinese spare ribs, bone in svp. And Lucy’s candied jalapenos turn almost any blah sandwich into a treat I can crave. Also… sour patch swedish fish and barbecue potato chips. 

HANK:  Candied..jalapenos? I think we need to hear more. Potato chips with wine, well, yes! And there does seem to be a cheese theme.

What do you think about this phenomenon, Reds and readers? Is is medical, physical, emotional, hormonal? Or whim?

And what foods have you craved?

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  1. I haven’t a clue as to whether it’s medical, physical, emotional, hormonal, or a whim. All I know for certain is that, like Jenn, I could happily eat cake every day [homemade macaroni and cheese, too] . . . and chocolate. Cheese toast sounds yummy and you can count me in on the potato chips and wine . . . .

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    1. Party! Now we know exactly what to serve... xxxx
      Mac and cheese! I never had that craving, but I do understand it. My grandsons eat that EVERY DAY. No one even tries to stop them anymore. xx

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  2. I'm more a creature of habit. Not necessarily craving foods, but I tend to eat the same thing most days, especially work days, for breakfast and lunch. Banana, yogurt, and oatmeal for breakfast. Sandwich I brought from home for lunch. Considering how indecisive I am, it is simple not to have to think about those decisions. And considering how much energy I give to dinner, the one meal of the day where I will have different things, I think it's a good thing I am so much a creature of habit for the others.

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  3. I usually have a microwave-poached egg for lunch. We get our eggs from a local farm and it's just so good. And easy. (Smear a little olive oil in a little bowl, break an egg, cover, and zap for 40 seconds. Perfect every time.) I don't usually eat breakfast, but a stick of string cheese is my midmorning snack.

    Debs and Lucy: cheese toast - is that broiled cheese on toast, or?

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    1. Edith, I love poached eggs and I never knew it could be so easy to cook one in the microwave. I'm trying it for lunch today--thank you!

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    2. My cheese toast is put under the broiler, Edith. And I’m going to try your poached eggs

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    3. You could always go bold some day, and try pimento cheese spread.

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    4. Edith, I’m going to try your microwaved poached egg!

      DebRo

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    5. You have this down! (I have to admit, I hate poached eggs. I'm not sure what I would do if I had to eat one...ANY other eggs, all great. SO weird.) (Nope, not even Eggs Benedict. Bleah.)

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    6. Yes, Edith, I broil mine in our toaster oven. No toaster here--I think butter should go on first. (Now there's a blog topic!)

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    7. Gigi, I have made cheese toast with pimento cheese many times. Yummy.

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    8. Ooh, we always have pepper jack in the fridge. So I should grate before broiling, or slice?

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    9. With cheddar, I usually just do little slices. Grating is way too much trouble, lol.

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  4. I do love cheese, especially cheddar but brie and muenster, too. I can eat that any time of day, on bread or crackers or with fruit or veggies or chips.

    These days we are eating peanut butter toast on homemade bread for breakfast every day. I bake our own bread because of my honey allergy. I substitute maple syrup or brown sugar or jam for the honey and I can bake any wholegrain bread. Irwin adds a banana to his. So easy.

    I told Hank last week that I had a craving for halavah, but didn't say when. I'd gone to Israel to possibly live there and was sent to an Ulpan in the desert. There was always a plate of the sweet sandy confection after lunch and dinner and I was craving it. I got over it when I left there, 15 pounds heavier. I can't even swallow it now.

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    1. Judy, after our conversation about halavah, I bought a small package of it. It lasted me several weeks, a nibble at a time. I can't imagine bingeing on it!

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  5. Hank, it's all of the above?

    Breakfast used to be a bagel with cream cheese until I realized how much fat and carbs that was. So now breakfast is vanilla yogurt with granola. I used vanilla because I'll mix up the granola flavors, but my favorite is peanut butter. But I love a thick slick of my homemade country French bread with butter and jam for "second breakfast" (now I have to make a loaf of bread).

    Lunch is whatever - leftovers, turkey sandwich with Swiss, sometimes cheese and apple slices. A lot depends on how hot it is these days because the hotter it is, the less appetite I have.

    Dinner...ugh. I hate deciding what's for dinner. Yet no one else wants to assist with this chore, so it's always up to me to look at what we have and decide what to make.

    Potato chips? Any time!

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  6. For years, I ate toast (multigrain, sourdough or whole wheat) with Krema peanut butter for breakfast. It was yummy, took no thought, and held me over until 'second breakfast' at school or work. I still eat it, but only rarely now as peanuts no longer like me :-(

    Lunch and dinner whatever.

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    1. Peanut butter toast with bacon - that's my summer treat while camping. YUM.

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    2. that sounds SO GOOD, Jenn! And Flora, yes, PB. WHat a staple. ANd so strange how our bodies change!

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    3. Flora, I'm eating sunflower butter on my toast rather than almond butter the last couple of weeks. It's so good.

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  7. I’ve had those kinds of cravings in all aspects of my life : food, drink, tv shows, books, films, etc… I think it may be because I’m passionate that I didn’t tire of having the same thing over and over until I had enough.
    When younger, I ate a lot of meat until, in my forties, it was like I had eaten my quota and I didn’t crave meat anymore.
    As for my collations, they changed every few years. I remember a time I ate Doritos almost every day and then, it was goldfish crackers, than Triscuit, than Tostitos, than Vinta Crakers. I like it, I like it and then, no more.

    The things I crave and never tire of are seasonal food, like berries and fresh vegetables in summer because, after the season, I don’t buy those that come from thousands of miles.

    I’ll never tire of a very good piece of toasted bread with peanut butter or cheese or honey or maple syrup.

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    1. Another on our toast team! Ad I remember the first time I had Fritos. OH. I ate SO MANY!

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    2. I was trying to think of things I craved as a kid, and FRITOS! I would curl up with a good book and eat Fritos. Heaven.

      I wish I could do that now, but they are so greasy and so salty. Boo.

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    3. Right? Yes, weren't they amazing? My first taste of a corn chip, in my Gramma's living room in front of Ed Sullivan

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  8. TOAST: Trader Joe's whole grain superbread, slathered with sweet butter. It's crunchy and filling.

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  9. It's probably "all of the above": a combination of medical, physical, emotional, hormonal, whim. Food tends to feel like comfort, doesn't it? The familiar, the tastes and textures we ate at various periods of our lives, there is something really powerful about those inherent memories. Don't they say that the sense of smell is one of our most easily accessed in memory? Taste must be a close second.

    I lost my sense of taste for several years because of a severed nerve near my chin on one side. (Very bad oral surgery.) For about three years I had no ability to taste sweet or salty anything, and then the sweet came back first. Another year or two later I regained the salty taste. By then, though, I'd gotten into the habit of having extra-dark chocolate with black coffee for breakfast every morning. Still have it, 34 years after I lost my taste.

    My grandson, faced with unfamiliar foods on our trip, kept on rhapsodizing about Chipotle and KFC, places that meant comfort to an American teenager. We were horrified that he kept bringing it up, but now that I think about it, that was a coping mechanism for him. He was WAY out of his element there.

    The funny thing is that his mom says he can't stop talking about the food he ate on the trip!

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    1. When my husband and sons (ten and twelve)and I came back from a year in junk-food-free Burkina Faso, we decompressed on the way for a week in Barcelona and surrounds. John and I wanted excellent Spanish food. We found a little restaurant next to a Burger King and sent the boys next door. We all got the food we wanted!

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    2. When I returned after my year in Okinawa it was milk. At the time there were no dairy cows on the island. The milk in the commissary was reconstituted -bleargh.

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    3. OMG, Karen, I did laugh out loud at your gandson's fondness, in retrospect, for the food in Africa. He learned a lot on that adventure!!

      I also have nerve damage in my jaw and it prevents me from always getting a good seal (bottom lip) when I am drinking from a cup with an unusual shape. So, I have a few coffee stains on shirts and blouses that I can blame on that wobbly nerve.

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    4. I think he did, Judy. Isn't it a pain? My lower lip is still numb, and I occasionally drool without knowing it. Good times! Not.

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    5. Oh, that is so difficult. The Sweet Came Back First seems like a good short story title, not that it's any consolation. xoxoox

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    6. Excellent short story title, Hank!

      I am so glad you regained your sense of taste, Karen. What a terrible thing to lose it. Losing taste and smell is one of the things I've worried most about with Covid.

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  10. I love toast. Preferably homemade cheese bread or a good crunchy bakery bread. My new favorite is Cheesecake Factory brown bread. It makes great toast or grilled cheese. And the current favorite topping is ginger citrus marmalade from the farmers market. I was away for 2 months and my daughter had to stock up for me. Now I’m back and can get fresh eggs, tomatoes, and other veg.
    And I will eat cake at any time.

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    1. Brown bread - oh, that sounds like an amazing grilled cheese.

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    2. Cheesecake factory has bread? ooh. xx Thank you!

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    3. Ginger citrus marmalade?????? I want it!

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  11. Goddess help me anything that is heavy with fat. You would think at 118 kg my body would say nooo enuff. Silly body. When I am eating vegetarian I crave seafood. This morning I told Amy (we are back on our food plans)you can bury my ashes in a peanut butter jar and be done with it. Jiro dreams of sushi... Coralee dreams of mayo + nuts + butter. sigh

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  12. My favorite fatal (caloric) flaw is queso and corn chips. I cannot put the brakes on and will devour the entire container. In fact, I came close to doing just that yesterday and am still suffering the indigestion. But the container isn't yet empty and I fear I might do the same thing again after lunch. Hence, I rarely buy the stuff. (It's also good over cooked pasta when I run out of chips before running out of queso.)

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    1. right there with you! I also ration buying them because I know I won't stop until the bag crinkles on empty.

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    2. I think I love corn chips best until someone opens a bag of potato chips. Then, I think I love that best until the pita chips are placed on the table. All Bets Are Off. And just forget it if there are cheese puffs. OMG. I only ever buy chips for parties.

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    3. Yup, you are SO wise. Just don't buy it. And Guac. Ah.

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    4. Hank, guac is surprisingly good with rice crackers. I love the little quarter-sized rice crackers from Trader Joe's, and Crunchmaster Multi-grain are terrific, too.

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    5. CRUNCHMASTERS. They are SO good. Ahhhhh. Love those rice crackers too, the dark ones.

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  13. I have eaten Grape Nuts Flakes (no, not Grape Nuts--too crunchy!) for breakfast for years, and I am addicted to it. When I couldn't get it for months during the pandemic, I was desolate. I communicated with Post, and they told me where to look for it, and later they sent me a coupon for a free box! The problem now, as before, is that it costs about $5.50 a box. So I've found that Safeway and Raley's have it on sale for $2.99 now and again, and I buy multiple boxes. I think I have about 10 boxes in my pantry closet right now. Grape Nuts Flakes with blueberries or peaches and 2% milk--aaahhh!

    As a child I ate nothing but cream cheese and jelly sandwiches for years for lunch. Just last week I bought some (lite) cream cheese and some grape jelly, and I remembered why I liked it so much.

    My husband and I used to go to a place called Specialtys for lunch frequently, especially in his last years, and I always had the same thing--a tuna melt. I have been unable to find any tuna sandwich to equal it for pure comfort and taste. I heard that Specialtys closed during the pandemic, but I think it is open again. If I'm willing to take a 2.5-hour drive, I might be able to enjoy it once again, but that seems a little extreme.

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    1. It does seem extreme..but a tuna solution will appear.

      And I actually adore Grape Nuts--but WHOA they are little pellets of calories! I love that Post sent you a giftie! How nice.

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    2. Margie, do you have Panera? I get cravings for Panera's tuna sandwich. I get the Pick Two, half tuna sandwich and a cup of tomato soup with croutons. So good. Definitely comfort food for me.

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  14. Cheese. No idea if it's because I grew up in dairy country, or because I was a child who didn't like meat, or what, but if I'm not thinking about it, I can end up eating it 3x a day. Or more. Not so healthy as I got older. In high school I ate a peanut butter sandiwich for lunch almost every day...and I still crave peanut butter at times.The ultimate comfort food. Right after pie.(Who says its not for breakfast?) :-)

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    1. Yes, cheese. All cheese all the time!

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    2. Peanut butter. Cheese. Two basic food groups. oxoo

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    3. Cheese for the win! I try to eat less meat an dairy, but I LOVE cheese.

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  15. My burning question is for Rhys: What wine pairs well with potato chips?

    I certainly go through food phases like this. The first thing I ever learned to turn on the stove, get out the skillet, and actually cook was bologna. It was for the fried bologna sandwiches I ate for lunch at least one entire summer when I was maybe 11. Mustard, Velveeta and white bread. I was a purist about it. Haven't had one in years, and that craving is now, thankfully just a rueful memory of my youth.

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    1. Gigi - I like mine with red wine. The chips have to Ruffles - and a side of bacon horseradish dip goes well, too! :)

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    2. Gigi, this is Rhys but I can’t switch my Google account for some reason. I’m a big Pino Grigio fan in summer and the potato chips are Trader Joe’s olive oil

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    3. Thank you, Kait and Rhys. I'm a Pino Grigio fan, too, Rhys, and there's a TJ's right around the corner. I'll have to try this! Oooo, Kait, the dip ads a whole new dimension, don't you think?

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    4. Ruffles with bacon horseradish dip??? SWOONING! ANdI remember fried bologna--a friend's mom made it when I was a kid, and it was SO good, but my mother refused. She had her..thoughts about things.

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    5. Your mom was probably right, Hank.

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  16. HANK,

    Very timely! Just this morning on Instagram, I saw an ad about food cravings. I think it is a company called ? discovering xoe ? or ? zoe ? They studied identical twins who had different cravings. Interesting, right?

    My cravings change. When it is chilly outside, I have a craving for hot chocolate with marshmallows at the top of the mug. When it is warm outside, I want dry farmed tomatoes or strawberries, which happens in the summer time.

    Diana

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    1. REALLY? I will look that right up! Zeitgeist.

      Strawberries. The first one is always SO good.

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    2. Strawberries! Yum! To me, strawberries and watermelons mean that the summer has started!

      On another topic, I just finished an advanced digital copy of HER PERFECT LIFE and the tile was perfect! Very suspenseful and quite chilling!

      Diana

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    3. OH!!!!! THANK YOU! This is thrilling! xoxoooox

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  17. Last year I went through a Fig Newton faze. It's healthy, right? Figs are fruit. They even have whole wheat Fig Newtons. It has to be a healthier choice than say the See's dark chocolate I purchase on Saturday after someone asked, on Facebook, pizza or chocolate? I do like peanut butter and sweet pickle relish sandwiches and make it as an open faced snack with crackers if I'm out bread.

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    1. Peanut butter and pickle? Isn't that what Kinsey Millhone ate?

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    2. I wish I could get Sees candy here in the east. But I'm sure I'm better off without it!

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    3. I always have a box of hand-picked See's dark chocolates in a kitchen drawer (or in the refrigerator when it's hot outside--the low nineties are normal here for this time of year). When I moved from San Jose to El Dorado Hills, CA a year ago during the pandemic, I had to drive 30 minutes to the only See's store that was open at that point, but my local store (10 minutes away) opened soon thereafter for curbside pickup. Butter creams are my favorite, and I'm also partial to their butterscotch pecan candy bars. When we lived in Pennsylvania, I liked Dairy Cream chocolates, but I don't know if they are in business anymore.

      I do like Fig Newtons and used to buy the low-fat variety.

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  18. My cravings come and go and yes, I can eat the same thing over and over and not tire of it, until I do. Fish and chips with vinegar - yum. Tuna melts - the perfect food. A relic of my first job - cream cheese and olives on date and nut bread. It's hard to find date and nut bread these days - I don't like the canned variety. I may have to learn how to bake it. Eggs and homemade biscuits for breakfast every morning, and pizza - every Friday night - even if I have to declare one of those "other" days as Friday.

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    1. Yes, where pizza is involved, any day can be Friday! Brilliant!

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  19. For years and years I had a tuna sandwich for lunch. I rarely eat sandwiches at all now but there’s always tuna in the house, although I don’t think I’ve had any (I add it to salad sometimes) for about a month. For many months now I’ve been having Fiber One cereal for breakfast with fresh fruit; on the side are avocado slices and a hard boiled egg. Lunch is often plain nonfat Greek yogurt with fruit. Sometimes instead of that I spread a Wasa crisp bread with peanut butter, and have a piece of fruit with it. Dinner is nearly always some sort of chicken meal. I don’t like red meat. Seems all very boring, but it works for me! Ever since my recent knee replacement surgery I haven’t felt much like cooking, so dinners are challenging right now. I sometimes get takeout from a nearby restaurant. The portions are huge and I always get at least three meals out of it. And of course it’s chicken, grilled chicken with veggies and salad.

    DebRo

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    1. Grilled chicken and salad. I could have that EVERY DAY. SO agree! xx

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  20. So behind so behind! Loving all these… But at the dentist… More to come!

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  21. Oh my gosh, you are all my sisters and we could just get together for a week and make meals of all of the above.

    Even as I opened this posting, I was chowing down on a late breakfast: poached egg (2 minutes in boiling water) on multigrain toast, with a layer of brie in between.

    My childhood lunchbox joy (I made it easy for my mom)was peanut butter and honey on white bread (okay, it was the 50s) EVERY SINGLE DAY. For years and years. And I still love it today, though with more interesting bread. :^)

    Finally, yes, a glass of white wine every day at 4:00. For the past 500 or so days (oy, that's 125 bottles!) Usually with little dish of salty snack, like Cheezies or roasted nuts. (I'd have potato chips, but to my shock about 3 years ago, after a lifetime of being a potato chip fiend, I suddenly went off them. I guess it happens....)

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    1. Don't. Count. The. Bottles. xoxooo

      And yes, that's exactly what I mean. WHY does that happen?

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    2. Susan, a poached egg on multigrain toast with brie sounds so good that now I have to go out and buy some brie...

      And I love peanut butter and honey!

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    3. Brie ... oh, yes! love French cheeses. I love it on toasted bagels. Melted.

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  22. Cheese. Cheese and crackers. Grilled cheese sandwich. Buttered toast. Throw in a beverage and I could probably survive on these forever.

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  23. Rhys, I had to laugh at, "And as I am alive, who am I to argue?" I'm afraid, though, that even if sardines on toast are the secret to longevity, it would be a hard sell for me.

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  24. Oh, and another item I could have every day and never tire of: Coca Cola. However keeping my teeth and waistline in mind, I limit it to a special treat on long car trips.

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    1. When I was a kid we were allowed one Coke a week. Which made it even more special and desirable... Now, hmm. Pass. SO strange!

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    2. When I was a kid, a Coke was thunder shower soother. When thunder storms came in the middle of the afternoon, Mother provided one Coke (bottled, glass bottle) cold from the fridge, with a striped paper straw, to be sipped while I sat on the chaise lounge on the screened-in porch. Nothing ever better. I am amazed at how vivid this memory is. No idea when I last had a Coke.

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    3. Julia, have you ever tried Mexican Coke? It satisfies the craving for Coke, but is less sweet with fewer calories. It works well with Mexican food too. I don’t drink regular coke, too sweet, but the Mexican Coke is a good alternative.

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  25. I am a creature of habit with food, although that doesn't mean I'm not up for trying something new. Every morning I have a bowl of Frosted Cheerios, and most of the time I include a small glass of orange juice (50% less sugar, as I'm getting sugar on the cereal). I then have my coffee. Now, that's my only consistent meal choice, but if I had my way, I'd have a turkey deli sandwich every day for lunch. And, I love spaghetti, without sauce just as well as with it, maybe even better. Some olive oil and sauteed mushrooms with it, and I'm in pasta heaven. Jenn, your love of chocolate cake is something I wish I could indulge more, too. I have a chocolate cherry cake I make with chocolate icing, and I think I could eat it every day. If anyone needs a perfect chocolate icing recipe, I have one. It came from a friend's mother, and I could probably just make it and eat it. Oh, and I love buttered toast. I sometimes eat it as a snack.

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  27. Back from the dentist! Looking at all these now..xoxo

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  28. My latest "food on repeat" has been a mushroom and cheddar omelet for Sunday breakfast. So good. When will it be Sunday again???

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    1. Oh, so good. SO GOOD. Mushroom omelets are amazing. More than the sum of the parts.

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  29. breakfast for years was 2 eggs over easy with whole wheat toast...love it still.

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  30. For years I would egg spinach, garlic and herbs de Provence in scrambled eggs and now I can't stand to smell or make it. I go on eating stints, eating the same thing until I tire of it so much that I can't face it ever again. When I was a kid I loved Grape Nuts Cereal for years then fell in love with Life cereal. Is that still around?? I love toast too, any kind of bread, but it makes me gain weight pronto! I can eat p-nut butter by the spoonful. Mum and I used eat sardines on toast! Can't stomach it anymore. What is it with eating the same thing habitually for years then suddenly get sick of it? Some kind of biological switch? With my mum being an English cook, I can't remember anything that I loved except maybe her pies. But I'm more of a salt lover than sugar.

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