DEBORAH CROMBIE: When I first started writing, I devoured anything I could find about how other writers wrote. Computer or paper, morning or evening, outline or no outline. I was sure there was a magic bullet somewhere--a formula you could follow for tackling what sometimes felt like an insurmountable task.
It turns out that there isn't (or at least I haven't discovered it,) other than butt-in-chair, which just so happens to be the hardest thing for me. But I'm still fascinated by the nuts and bolts, how other people do this weird exercise in making things up and turning those things into a finished book, so earlier this week when Hank gave us a peek at her editing process, I was agog. Hank keeps track of her edits!
I am the edit queen, I swear I can edit a page fifty times, but I do not keep track! I don't save drafts, either. Once something is over-written, it is gone forever. Yikes! Contemplating this makes me feel a wee bit insecure, as if I'm writing without a safety net, but I think doing it any other way would totally discombobulate me.
As for what I'm writing that might disappear into the ether, I'm still plodding away at Kincaid/James #20. Is there a prize for tortoise authors, I wonder...
It's hard to find a spoiler-free snippet, but here, edited even as I copy-pasted, Gemma and her sergeant visit a restored barge on the Thames. (This is not the barge described, but a view of the same stretch of the Thames above Teddington Lock.)
They reached the sturdy-looking ramp and Gemma strode up it ahead of Butler, and onto the deck of the boat. Before she could knock on the cabin door, it opened and Mabel was jumping and sniffing at Gemma’s legs, the fan of her tail wagging madly. Gemma crouched to stroke her. “Hello, lovely girl. Nice to see you again.” She glanced up. “Davey, this is Mabel. We met yesterday.”
“Mabel, enough,” said John Quillen, now visible inside the
cabin. “Inspector,” he added, then acknowledged Butler with a nod. “Sergeant.” His
t-shirt and cargo shorts made Gemma feel seriously over-dressed, but he looked more haggard than he had the previous day. He was unshaven, his wavy dark
hair disheveled. “Do come in. I take it you didn’t have any trouble finding
us.”
“You might have warned us about the parking,” said Gemma as
they followed him inside, softening the comment with a smile. “Wherever do you
put your van?”
His features relaxed. “Ah. Sorry about that. Sometimes I
get lucky. Otherwise, I have a mate who has a repair garage off the High Street
in Teddington. He lets me leave the van in his yard when he has the space.” The
three of them and the dog made quite a crowd in the barge’s tiny cabin and
Gemma was relieved when Quill motioned towards the open interior doorway. “If
you’ll go down, we can talk in the lounge.” Mabel turned and vanished into the
opening with a bound. After another encouraging gesture from Quill, and with
growing curiosity, Gemma followed the dog. She found herself on ladder-steep stairs
and wondered if it might be easier to go down backwards rather than forwards, but
she was already committed to the forward-facing descent.
At the bottom, she stood, gaping. Somewhere in her subconscious,
she supposed she’d expected dark and dank in a living space that was at least
partly underwater. But the light pouring from portholes and skylights flooded
the long room before her, and her first impression was of colors, reds and
blues and the golden warmth of wood. A drafting table anchored one end of the
living area, and in the other, there was a small sofa, a coffee table, and an
interesting-looking modernist leather chair.
With a pang, she realized it reminded her of the garage
flat where she and Toby had lived before they’d moved into the Notting Hill
house with Duncan and Kit. That tiny space had given her a much-needed sense of
control over her chaotic life as a single, working mother, and she had loved it
passionately.
I want to live on this boat! I wanted to live in Gemma's garage flat, too. Maybe my obsession with small, organized spaces is due to the fact that I live in a big, rambling, messy house.
REDs and writer friends, how do you manage drafts of your work?
And readers, do you like references to previous books in a series?
P.S. Mabel is a liver and white springer spaniel, and I'm sure I'm projecting my spaniel desires, too.
P.S.S. If anyone has discovered that magic bullet, do let me know.












Thanks for sharing this, Debs . . . I'm looking forward to reading the rest of the story!
ReplyDeleteI don't mind references to previous books in a series . . . the "tying-together" with earlier books is always interesting . . . .
Thank you, Joan! I'm looking forward to the rest of the story, too! :-)
DeleteIf I am reading a series I definitely expect there to be a thread that ties the individual books together.
ReplyDeleteMe, too, Brenda.
DeleteI love this excerpt, Debs. What a fascinating glimpse into a houseboat/barge. I love the tying together of books in a series, so that part is good, too.
ReplyDeleteLike you, I don't save drafts per se. A few times during the writing I save the manuscript, but those files aren't marked up. I also save the version that comes back with copyedits, and the proof pages pdf, all as digital files.
The only secret is the one you already know - butt in the chair (or in my case, feet on the cushioned mat), and fingers on the keyboard.
Edith, I write chapters as separate files and only put them together at the end. That way there's less danger of having some sort of accidental deletion disaster!!
DeleteHave a great time at Crime Bake!!!
What a great idea, to write chapters as separate files. Never thought of that!
DeleteOh, so interesting!! I've always done it that way. Much easier to go back and check things, rather than scrolling through an entire ms. And I love starting a new chapter. It makes me feel like I'm accomplishing things.
DeleteI write in scenes, but it's all in Scrivener.
DeleteDebs, nice snippet! I am eager to have this book in my hands!
ReplyDeleteAs a series reader who almost always will begin with book #1, I enjoy references to past books in the series. The way you refer to Gemma's garage flat is perfect for long-time readers and new readers as well.
The first book that I read in your series was THE SOUND OF BROKEN GLASS. (My library had it.) In one scene, Gemma and Melody are walking in the snow and Gemma realizes that her sergeant has fallen for Andy. She has a moment where she recollects that she was Kinkaid's sargeant and how they began their affair. I went, "Oh, boy! I need to get all the other books!"
Judy, see you later today!
Deleteso sad that I'm not joining you all at Crimebake!
DeleteWe are too, Roberta!
DeleteWishing I could be in Boston today, too! Give each other hugs from me, okay?
DeleteFrom Celia; I'm so
DeleteLooking forward to finally meeting everyone tomorrow. Yes wish Roberta was coming too.
I AM SO JEALOUS of you all getting together at Crime Bake. Wah!!!! Have a fabulous time and get lots of photos of all you Reds and Reddies together!!!
DeleteOh my gosh, Celia is going to be there, too? Pictures! We must have pictures! Have so much fun, everyone who is going! — Pat S
DeleteDebs, thank you for this snippet. I can’t wait to read the whole book. I like references to a previous book in a series, especially from one I love so much like yours.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Danielle, and so glad you're enjoying the snippets as we go along. It's very encouraging.
DeleteI love this snippet! I was in that lounge and didn't want to leave. I enjoy references to previous books. To me, that is what makes a series so special. A couple of authors whose series I read sometimes even stick a quick footnote at the bottom of the page naming the book referenced. It works well with their style of writing and probably wouldn't be feasible for you, but it is quite fun to realize you have an "in" when you recognize what is being referenced. -- Victoria
ReplyDeleteWhat a fun idea, Victoria. I don't think it would work for my books but I'd get a big kick out doing it!
DeleteDebs, love it--it's perfect. We want it! I don't save separate drafts either. I think my brain would be too confused. Carry on writing, dear Debs! we are skulking around behind you waiting...
ReplyDeleteYou will be the first to read it, Lucy dear!
DeleteThe magic bullet still eludes me, too, Debs.
ReplyDeleteI tend to revise as I write, editing yesterday's pages before I start drafting today's. I know I should save ALL of my drafts, but I don't. I relabel them when I start over, beginning to end, but not daily or even monthly. I do, however, send 50-page chunks to my critique partners on a monthly basis, so I have all of those saved in a folder. I've been known to dig back into them and copy and paste old words into my revised manuscript.
I do so miss having a critique partner, and I would save my marked pages, too.
DeleteYou've mentioned one magic bullet, Annette, which is jump starting a day's work by rereading the previous day's.
Loved the snippet, and am looking forward to the book, whenever it's done. Your description of entering the living space of the barge reminded me of our sailboat--we went through a very tiny hatch, but then the space below was bigger than one would expect, including a tiny galley kitchen where we would occasionally make dutch babies. Your reference to Gemma's garage flat was so seamless--I immediately pictured it--that I didn't realize it was the reason for your question to readers. I guess my answer would be yes, I do like references to previous books!
ReplyDeleteOh, good, Gillian. We always like to hear "seamless!" I managed a reference in an earlier part of that same scene to how much Kit and Toby loved the locks on the Shropshire Union canal in Cheshire!
DeleteThe more I read about your writing processes, the more I am amazed, and grateful that you all persevere and we get to read your books and stories. I think I’ve enjoyed your books even more as I’ve been reading this wonderful blog. Debs, what a great sniper -housebarges again, yay! I am waiting with bated breath for book #20! And yes, I love references to previous books in the series!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Suzette! I had just been listening to all of Peter Grainger's DC Smith/King's Lake books in order, and I so enjoyed the way he refers back to previous books.
DeleteSuzette, I totally agree: the more I learn about all these marvelous writers go through, the more I appreciate how hard their task is. Thankfully they keep writing! — Pat S
DeleteDebs, I’ll have to check out the King’s Lake Books. And Pat, yes, yes!
DeleteDebs, I'm so pleased to hear you've listened to all the DC Smith/Kings Lake books in order--so have I, and I've finally caught up and read them all. I think they are so good. I've now listened to his three Willows and Lane books, which are also very well done, although not as good as the main series for me. I love discovering an author I like so much. And I find them VERY English, although I'd be hard-pressed to explain what I mean.
DeleteKim, I had read them all as they were released, and listened to a couple of them. But I had somehow missed The Late Lord Thorpe, the most recent, so I bought it on Audible and that inspired me to go back to the beginning. Such a treat!! Gildart Jackson, the narrator, is wonderful, and books are so good. And SO English!
DeleteSuzette, I highly recommend reading these in order, but it's confusing. Part way through the series, he switched from calling them "DC Smith" to "King's Lake" for reasons that will become obvious as you read, but then later he switches back and forth between the two. I recommend reading by publication date in order to stay in sequence.
DeleteThese books were self published, but they developed such a fan folllowing that the entire series has now been bought by a major NY publisher. I don't know what they will call them, but I think we have to wait until sometime in 2026 for the latest book.
I'm so looking forward to the next book. I recently relistened to most of the books. What was so interesting, for instance, was to meet Wesley for the first time. I love how you gently introduce characters who will became central, in their own way, in future books. In terms of editing (my scholarly stuff), I never stop, not until I have to submit something. And there's always stuff I don't find. Same when I give a lecture. I'd be surprised if I don't have at least 100 edits. Basically, I do rewriting everytime I open the document. Writing fiction is different, of course, and I have tried my hand at that. My sense is that writing fiction is much, much harder, so that is why we readers appreciate all of your books (meaning all the authors here).
ReplyDeleteMy biggest problem is getting myself to stop editing and move on! And I am missing Wesley and Betty in this book! The action is very condensed and it's impossible to squeeze all the favorite characters in. Maybe they will get a cameo before the end!
DeleteTraveling recently in England, and seeing lots of different kinds of boats on both the canals and the Thames/Isis in Oxford, the descriptions of narrowboats and towpaths in your books kept popping up in my memory. I would never have known anything about them, otherwise, and yet when you look for them they are everywhere. Thank you, Debs, for that extra bit of knowledge that lent another layer to my own travel experience. And now my family's, too, since we started "collecting" some of the unique examples we saw.
ReplyDeleteYes, to harking back to earlier books, always. I like being reminded of former experiences of our main characters. It makes them seem more real, more human. You do such a great job of that.
By the way, I have a plane ticket to Arizona in time for the Poisoned Pen event for Rhys and Julia. If it is still possible to fly, with the crazy shutdown at so many airports, including ours in Cincinnati.
Same for me, Karen, in our trip to England last summer. I never would have focussed on the boats so much if not for the Crombie books.
DeleteKaren, fingers crossed your flight goes smoothly! Enjoy the Poisoned Pen event!
DeleteOh, gosh, Karen, I am so envious of your trip to AZ for the Poisoned Pen event!!! We will all be crossing our fingers for smooth travel for you and for Julia!!!!
DeleteHaving done three narrowboat holidays in Wales and Scotland, I always love references to the canals and their boats!
ReplyDeleteAnd I did enjoy the reference to earlier Gemma. It felt very natural, just like we all think about our own earlier lives.
I did a lot of writing of Board reports and Council reports when I worked and was very much a “track changes” person.
Yes, you have to be! And I am so jealous of your narrowboat holidays, Lisa. You would absolutely drool over some of these Dutch barges I found online when I was doing the research for Quill's boat.
DeleteDebs, what a wonderful tease! As for 'how to write' you are already doing it splendidly so keep doing it - it works. I cannot wait to read this book and yes, I love call back references to previous books.
ReplyDeleteLove the dog! The first dog I remember was a liver and white, Springer, Freckles. What a fabulous mother she was; one time she had fifteen pups! At the same time my cat Benji had kittens and Freckles thought they belonged with her brood. Back and forth the kittens were carried, first by the dog, then by the cat, and again by the dog. It's a wonder any of them survived.
I am a little in love with Mabel! She's had quite a few appearances in the book. My first dog as an adult was a cocker so I have a thing for spaniels, and is why I gave Gemma the lovely Geordie. I wonder how many other authors practice fictional wish fulfillment?
DeleteYou've given me an idea for a local author event at the library--have a small panel to discuss how they each go about writing, invite the public, serve cookies and coffee/tea/water. I think if we had 5 authors, we would not find a magic bullet--we'd find 5 different ways of going about the actual writing. And I totally agree with everyone here--your process works for you (and us!). I love references to past books--we readers are invested in the lives of your characters. And I suppose it's a hangover from my earlier days, track changes was a big part of my previous work and I use it still. Only when I'm satisfied with a scene/chapter, do I accept my changes. It's rewarding to see all that black ink replacing the red!
ReplyDeleteSo interesting, Flora. That sounds like what Hank is doing. Maybe I'll try turning on Track Changes just for fun. (All this is supposed to fun, right?) And I love your idea about the author panel!
DeleteYes, exactly! It’s a tangible visible reminder of all the work I’ve done, and it is my reward to accept it!
DeleteI am so looking forward to the next book, Debs! And I truly enjoy references to previous books, the thread that runs through them all. I’ve learned so much from your books that I enjoy knowing much more about - canals and longboats, Glastonbury and its history, rowing clubs, tunnels under the Thames, so much more - all fascinating to an Anglophile like me!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Melinda! I do seem to be continutally fascinated by rivers and locks and boats, don't I? As far back as Leave the Grave Green, the third book, a body is found in a lock on the Thames at Henley!
DeleteLovely snippet, Debs. I like seeing all those small spaces, but I think living in one would eventually drive me mad. My current 600 square feet is about as small as I get and at least there is plenty of light to keep it from feeling closed in.
ReplyDeleteI should make a snapshot of my project in Scrivener from time to time, but I don't. I do, however, save all the rounds of edits that come back - developmental, redline, etc. I do like references to previous books and I hope others do to as I make them in my own writing.
Alas, I haven't found the magic bullet either.
I lived in a tiny garage apartment when I was in college that I adored, so I suspect I've been trying to go back there in fiction ever since...
DeleteI do keep all my official edits--editorial, copy edit, page proofs--just not my daily changes.
I wrote several books in Scrivener, Liz, but not this one or the previous one. I am really missing being able to check the outline function for what I wrote where! I don't, however, like writing in the software. Hmm, maybe next book I will fiddle with some sort of combined approach. More magic bullets!
I have a confession. I disliked Louise Penny’s last book, THE GREY WOLF, so much that I threw it (virtually) across the room before I was halfway through. Decided I was way too old to read something that didn’t surprise me with joy!
ReplyDeleteThen THE BLACK WOLF arrived. I was delighted that she included enough history from the previous book that I pretty much was caught up.
So, yes, I like and need a brief few sentences that help me remember where I left off. And this book I read straight through in a couple of evenings, liked it a lot.
Will I go back to THE GREY WOLF now? Been there done that and put it down again. Just doesn’t grab me.
I wonder if the larger number of books we read, the less we retain of a particular story line? So it’s very practical if the author writes a brief recap line here and there that updates the story.
And Deb, stop what you’re doing right now please and go finish that book. I’m only buying one banana at a time these days!
Ann, good to see you here. And so agree…Deborah get this book written. Sand is pouring through the hour glass! Elisabeth
DeleteAnn, I'm trying! Big hugs!!
DeleteAnn, I felt the same way about the Grey Wolf! Working still, so I am only half finished with the Black Wolf. Given your comments, I hope I will like it overall at least.
DeleteDeborah, I always find your brief snippets very compelling. Your book series is the only I have ever reread. Book #20 will be excellent! Happy to read it whenever it is published!
DeleteMy daughter enjoyed listening to your books on her daily commute. She mostly reads fantasy but has read more mystery series because of your books.
Susan, that is such a compliment, both from you and from your daughter. Thank you!
DeleteI am behind on Louise's books, I'm ashamed to say. I have The Grey Wolf in my library but haven't started it yet. Now I have some trepidation.
DeleteDebs, you had me at "the fan of her tail wagging madly." And it just got better and better. The descriptions not just of the physical space but of Gemma's point of view. Sigh. Why do I suspect that you don't have much to cut out?
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I once went to a writer's conference where E.L. Doctorow was one of the featured writers (as well as some other big names--it was a fabulous conference). Doctorow said he was going to do something he never did--read from his work in progress. His prose was magical, beautiful, compelling. I thought he was just showing off. But no, when I read the book (Loon Lake), I found that the pages he had read had been compressed into maybe half a page. I still think of that when I edit. In other words, do the "golden words" I've written actually contribute to my goal? Do they move they book forward, or am I just noodling?
Great thread.
Such praise coming from you, Terry! My former editor would disagree with on the cutting out! We cut 100 pages from the last book. Ouch!
DeleteThanks for the snippet, Deborah. I just read references to what happened before as part of this current story. (Although I find them extremely frustrating when the author/cover blurb/Jungle Reds blogs have said “no need to start at the beginning of the series”. I feel duped.) Elisabeth
ReplyDeleteSo sorry, Elizabeth. We do hope that readers can jump in with a new book then go back to earlier ones. Although I must say I always preface that with "If you like to see how characters and relationships develop, start with the first book."
DeleteOh, this makes me long to be with Gemma and Duncan again! Thanks for sharing the snippet. Iam eager to have this book in my hands!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Jenn! Soon, I promise!
DeleteI like references to prior books, especially if they are short and to the point. You nailed it, Debs. Now, please finish the book. These extended waits for next books in my favorite series, by my favorites authors, is killing me.
ReplyDeleteTrying, trying!! And thank you, Deana!
DeleteThis is SO beautifully done. You are such a talent, seriously. I just moderated a class in "putting emotion in your stories" and this is a perfect example of it. Expected vs unexpected, reactions to small things, memories and experience seamlessly woven through. For instance, this brilliant sentence: "She found herself on ladder-steep stairs and wondered if it might be easier to go down backwards rather than forwards, but she was already committed to the forward-facing descent." SO PERFECT and layered!
ReplyDeleteHank, you are too kind!! I would never think to analyse things in this way! I am just always trying to be IN the character--what are they thinking, seeing, feeling, etc. We get some other descriptions of this barge in previous chapters, so I didn't want to go into too much detail here.
DeleteQuill, by the way, is a landscape designer and the deck of the barge has planters filled with spring flowers, which Gemma has admired as they walked up.
Debs, it is very difficult to stay away from social media while trying to write my debut novel. I finally got into the first assignment for my Writing Workshop (five years late). You could say I am a tortoise writer.
ReplyDeleteAnd though I preordered many wonderful November releases like Rhys' new Lady Georgie, I am focusing on my writing project for the month. I look forward to reading books again after reaching 50 thousand words at the end of the month. Today is the Seventh day of November.
Question for all of the authors:
How do you find the time to write JRW blog / comment here while writing your novels?
HA HA HA HA HA. thank you so much for noticing!!! xxx
DeleteAnd good luck on your deadline! You can do it.
DeleteWhat Hank said!!! It is such a challenge, but we love the blog so much that we can't imagine not doing it!! Good luck with your novel and your deadline. Good for you!!
Deletethank you everyone! I found the Crime Reference Book, highly recommended by my writing instructor, at a used bookstore!
DeleteI already commented in a reply above, but I will add that I enjoy your snippets, Debs. I won’t pile on by saying get back to work. I remember when everyone was doing that to Julia and she had a lot going on in her non-writing life. I will just say that I believe we commenters here love your work, Debs and are happily anticipating your new book, whenever it arrives. — Pat S
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, thanks to all seven of you for writing the blog as well as writing books. We do appreciate you. — PS
DeleteWe appreciated you all, Pat! This community matters so much to us all. We just had a group discussion about this last week!
DeleteThanks for sharing!I look forward to reading the book when it is finished!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Anon! And me too!
DeleteSometimes I think we analyze what we're doing too much. You've obviously found the magic bullet for you, Debs, and for your readers, and, of course, it not just one thing, it's how you do all the moving parts so well and put them together. One of my favorite parts of your writing is how interesting your minor characters are and how you integrate them into the story, sometimes as a permanent character who shows up again. Of course, your major characters are flawless, so "don't change a hair for me, not if you care for me." Haha. I know that characters must evolve, but I'm talking about their core. And, I'm still dreaming of a Gemma and Duncan tour of London to take.
ReplyDeleteThe excerpt is wonderful, and I'm already in love with Mabel. It's such a comfort to be back with favorite characters, too, in a favorite series. Oh, and I enjoy references back to other books and previous times in a series. My wonderful Red authors give me something to look forward to, and that is such a gift now.
Thank you, Kathy! I have been thinking of you and your springers when writing Mabel!
DeleteI've never been on a large houseboat, and I could SEE this wonderful room at the foot of the ladder, Debs. That's an enchanting excerpt. I certainly don't have the magic bullet; I'm struggling more with my current book than I remember struggling with the other four, but I do have encouraging days (or hours!) Yes, I do keep old drafts, although not all of them, but do I ever look back at them? NO. So don't worry. Yes, I like it when books refer to characters and events in previous books, as long as spoilers aren't involved.
ReplyDeleteSome spoilers are unavoidable though, don't you think? Or at least they have to be managed carefully. For instance, we will know that Kit's mother died, but I never say too much in subsequent books about the circumstances, because I don't want to spoil the plot of Dreaming of the Bones.
DeleteAnd thank you, Kim!
"Maybe my obsession with small, organized spaces is due to the fact that I live in a big, rambling, messy house."
ReplyDeleteDebs I have to say I love your photos of your house and yard. It truly looks like something from Home & Garden or even (yes I am serious) Architectural Digest. It is so lovely, artistic and inspiring.
Oh my gosh, thank you so much!! That's encouragement to post more photos! Most days I feel like our house is showing its 120 years!
DeleteIn the old fable, the tortoise wins. Looks like your work-in-progress is set for another well-deserved success!
ReplyDeleteI hope so! Thank you, Gay!
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ReplyDeleteBeautiful. . . .and worth waiting for. <3 I appreciate the artistry of referring back just enough to refresh memories and clue in new arrivals without slowing the progress of the new book. ;-)
-- Storyteller Mary
Thank you, Mary!
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