HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: The frustrating thing is that sometimes it is so easy and sometimes it is so hard. And right now it is so hard. I am working like mad on a book synopsis, a proposal, and all I need, all I need! is the name of the main character.
Sometimes the names just show up, like Prime Time's Charlotte McNally, there was no question but that Charlotte was her name. (Although, if I had to do it over, I'd bet I would change it, the McNally at least, it seems too cute now, but that's another story.)
And, come to think about it, everybody in the Prime Time series had an instant name, they just arrived, fully formed, Franklin and Penny and even Josh Gelston, which was an amalgam of a strong first name and the last name of my first boyfriend. (Imagine my surprise when I got an email from someone named Josh Gelston, who was something like a caterer for a rock band, who wondered where I had found his name. In my imagination, is the answer!)
Anyway, Jane Ryland, let’s see. That one was SO hard! I had Jane Elizabeth, right off the bat. I worked and worked and worked and had 1 million last names for her, I cannot begin to tell you, and honestly on the way to New York, for a publishing conference I realized I had to come up with a last name for her. And I said to myself: the next name I see out of the window of this train is going to be her name. And there it was, a massive billboard, I am not kidding, for Ryland Industries. Okay, I thought, got it! Everybody loved Jane Ryland. And then, in one of my first book events, someone ask me “why did you name your main character with the same last name as yours. I was completely baffled. And then I realized. No wonder it sounded familiar.
Anyway, as I said, I am now trying to name characters in a synopsis in progress. (And I use the term "progress" loosely.) And I cannot come up with the main character name.
I am sitting here looking at the 2025 commencement program from the University of Massachusetts that has fifty million names in it. I have looked through the entire graduating class, thousands and thousands of names. And there is not one that I can find that I can use. Just randomly Ana Gretchen Chapman. Sara Elizabeth Chappelle . Haley Charles . Mia Charles. Desteny Ann Charon. Christina Chen. Catherine Grace Chu. Erica Clarkman. Katie Lynn Clifford. Bridget Breanne Coughlin. Riley Collins.
Okay, Wait, Riley Collins? Briley? Or maybe Collin Briley. Or, no, Colleen Briley! Wait, I had a Briley in another book. See the problem? AND a Colleen.
I know there are all those things like the Social Security list of names, and the missing money list, I always look at that. I always look at the credits at the end of TV show shows, they are always fascinating, and maybe why I have so many British sounding names in my books.
There’s also the tendency to come up with the name with the same first letter. In a previous attempts at a synopsis, I had Annie, all good. Then another character Ava. Then Aiden. That’s just not gonna work.
Sometimes I just open a random book and look at the names and see if those names remind me of any other names that might remind me of any other names. I really think the best way of finding a name is that it just comes to you at some point.
You just have to let it appear as you write.
Jenn, your dubious main character has such an interesting name, where did that come from? And Rhys, you’re always having to be careful of history when you choose a name. And people who write contemporary novels have different kinds of choices.
Reds and readers, tell me your thoughts about names!
RHYS BOWEN: As Hank said I do have an extra challenge for names as I write historical characters. They have to be right for the time and place. And in the case of the Royal Spyness novels they have to witty or amusing. So I adore using silly nicknames like Binky and Fig and Podge (some of which are stolen from John’s family members who still have silly nicknames.). My favorite name so far is Lady Wormwood, Fig’s mother. I still chuckle every time I use it.
Sometimes I find I’ve used the wrong name for a character and the story is plodding along and one day the character says, “Why do you keep calling me Richard when my name is Robert?” And I say “oh sorry” and then the story leaps ahead. It’s true that I believe Elmore Leonard said Once you have the name you have the person. Get the name right and you know exactly who they are. I changed my Scottish inspector’s name in the upcoming From Sea to Skye about five times until I finally realized he was Melrose.
So the only advice I can give to Hank is not to try too hard. Let the name come to you. You’ll wake in the middle of one night and say “Oh of Course. She’s not Abby, she’s Maddy!"
HANK: That is absolutely what happens!
LUCY BURDETTE: This is funny Hank, as I've just been finishing the murder mystery for the Key West library to be held in February. The Key West Woman's Club is co-sponsoring the event with the Friends, so I wanted it to have a KWWC cookbook theme. I took several of the characters from the list of Woman's Club members who worked on previous editions of the cookbook, with names like Mrs. Lee Goddard, Mrs. Frank Bowser, Ruth Munder, etc. I lifted the victim from my own THE KEY LIME CRIME. So in answer to your question Hank, it depends on the project!
JENN McKINLAY: Such a great question, Hank! The main character from WITCHES OF DUBIOUS ORIGIN - Zoanne Zakias - was taken from a girl in my judo class when I was 10 years old! I knew even back then it was a cool name. Thanks, ZZ, wherever you are!
JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: I have a terrible tendency to insert the names of friends and family members for incidental characters and then not being able to change them out later because they become those names during the course of writing the first manuscript!
My biggest bugaboo when it comes to character names is getting them right for the age of the character and the socio-economic class they were born into. There's potentially a wide gap between Nathanial and Jaxon, and there's fifty years of time between Billy and Braydon.
HALLIE EPHRON: For me, names evolve, and I OFTEN change the name of my protagonist once I figure out who she is by what she does. I try not to start with a name that will be difficult to isolate by the search-and-replace function. (No Sue’s or Ann’s - those letters turn up together in too many innocent words.) I can be changing names in the final edit.
HANK: Oh, definitely. Me,too.
DEBORAH CROMBIE: Hank, I look at TV and movie credits, too, mostly British, and authors of books on my shelves, or people in the news. But one thing I always check is the most popular UK baby names for the years around my character’s age. Which doesn’t mean I can’t pull something out of left field, or have a character named after an older relative, although that would have to be mentioned. And sometimes names just click. A character in the current book is called Karo, short for Karoline with a K. No idea where that came from. Also Quill, whose last name is Quillen. No idea on that one, either!
HANK: That’s my very favorite, when the name just pops into your mind. It proves it's the right name!
How about you, Reds and readers. Do you like your characters to have quirky names? Do you think there are names that instantly fit a category, like Tiffany or Rex or Claire or Trixie or Emmaline or Betsy? (Oh, Emmaline!)
Do you prefer your characters to be Janes and Davids?
Do you notice diversity in names? Do you ever notice a trend in names? Once my pal Hannah and I came out with a book the same cycle–with the main character Lily. How does that happen? We did NOT know about the other’s naming.
Let’s talk about whatever strikes your fancy about names! (Oh, Fancy!) I mean, you've all done it when you named a child or a pet, right?
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When it comes to names, I'm actually somewhere in the middle . . . quirky is okay, but not too quirky. More common names are okay, but not too everyday and usual please . . . I do like a little uniqueness.
ReplyDeleteYes, that is such a fine line to walk!
DeleteI would have lost my mind if you had named three different characters Annie, Ava and Aiden, Hank! I apparently focus on the first initial of a name when I read and if there is more than one person with the same initial, I will get confused. Beyond that, I don’t like cutesy names or common names spelled in an unusual way just to be different. I’m speaking of characters; I have to hold my tongue about real people’s names! (I do like that the characters tell you their names. That’s pretty cool.). — Pat S
ReplyDeleteYes, I hear you! And I think that's not uncommon--our brains gobble the name in one gulp, and we are half envisioning the character, and half reading the words.
DeleteSpeaking of fancy reminds me I have a Fannie in my family tree. I know of authors who read the obituaries to get names. It bugs me if I don’t know how to pronounce a name even if the author says something like it rhymes with such and such….if you have to explain it don’t use it. I will just read it as the initial for the whole book so I don’t get caught up trying to figure out what it is supposed to sound like.
ReplyDeleteI suggested Jackie for your character on another post, Hank. It is for my niece who died from melanoma that spread to her brain a few years ago at age 38. Her full name is Jacquelle Marie Mann. Her married name was Zonker of all things. (There’s a Z name for you, Jenn!)
Brenda, sorry for the loss of your niece. I love her given name--Jacquelle!
DeleteOH, Brenda, that's very sad. And so sweet of you to want her to live on as a character...
DeleteI love names. Since my aims are historical in New England, I am limited to English, with minor notes of Scots and Irish, plus Biblical. One problem is that in any New England town in the Georgian era, you would likely find 200+ Marys and 199 Hannahs. I can't have that. Meanwhile, when I first conceived my story, years ago, I named the heroine Eleanor, called Nell within the family. "Eleanor" would mark her as foreign (a New Yorker!), Anglican, and similar, subtly distasteful things smacking of England. My problem is that I have a hard time using Eleanor. I don't know why. Nell is easy, but shouldn't she be Eleanor in the basic text, only called Nell by those close to her? I tell myself not to worry about it, remembering that Margaret Mitchell finished and submitted GONE WITH THE WIND with her heroine's name as Pansy O'Hara. However, as I plod on, it continues to niggle at me. (Selden)
ReplyDeletep.s. Hank, thank you for the insight! I have suddenly realized why "Nell is easy." My parents, siblings, and husband have always called me Sel. I am laughing. It had never occurred to me! (Selden)
DeleteOh, my vote is that Nell can be only Nell. She's Nell, and that's how it goes. Maybe because Eleanor doesn't sound like it looks, and even though its a great name, ti is not..logical.
DeleteMy great grandmother was named Natasha though she always was called Nell because it sounded more American than foreign.
DeleteThanks, Hank! Nell was actually a common nickname for Eleanor, just as Fanny was for Frances, Patsy for Martha, and Molly for Mary. But perhaps I will just call her Nell in my text. :) Thank you! (Selden)
DeleteMy question for you Hank is whether you consider the ethnicity of your character before you choose the name or ever, really? The US is a melting pot. When I was a kid, you could tell a lot from people's last names. The small town was full of Standish family members. Yes. That Standish family. Then there were the Polish kids and other Eastern Europeans. There was a significant number of Holocaust survivors. There were Clarks. There were Goldbergs. When we moved to the suburbs I met Italian kids and Hispanic kids who lived in the city.
ReplyDeleteDoes that part of someone's back story come into play? Is your heroine just middle class, white, with ethnicity chosen by the name you give her, like McNally?
It works both ways. Sometimes when the name appears, it has its own baggage on connotations, and that's great, I just work.with that. It seems meant to be. If I am actively thinking of a name, then yes, of course, all that goes into it. Boston names might be blue-blood Brahmin, or Irish, or a whole host of others--and it sometimes depends on where they live or what they do. And I try to be diverse in every book, without making it look like was TRYING to be diverse. It's just how the world is, and my books are how the world is.
DeleteI love this topic. Good luck with your name, Hank!
ReplyDeleteI also use my bookshelves and the SS database of names as sources for contemporary names. I think I mentioned a month or so ago that a new character had popped up in my WIP, and now I smile when I type Hallie Endicott in the story (yes, I have a shelf of only Jungle Reds books). When I was writing my historical mysteries, I prowled cemeteries and lifted names from gravestones, especially in the Quaker sections.
I keep a running list of character names (in Scrivener) for each of my series, alphabetized by first name. My Country Store series started out with my protag's Aunt Adele, an important secondary character. In book two or three, a guy named Abe strolled in. I seriously never noticed the double A names until about book six! At least they're different genders.
In my new project, the main character is Ruthie Drew (a writer in her seventies). That also makes me smile when I type it, because it's the pen name I wanted to use but that my editor rejected, thus birthing Maddie Day. ;^)
(Robbie later married Abe, so he stuck around.)
DeleteAw, Ruthie Drew. SO cute. But I get it, and Maddie Day is perfect.
DeleteYes agree love the name Maddy Day!
DeleteNames do intrigue me as I like to know how and why the name was chosen for a character.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! And sometimes we don't choose--the character chooses US! When we are lucky.
DeleteI am a graveyard wanderer as well. Because I write my current series with a co-author, names become a wee bit of a battleground, but sometimes the 'argument' usually leads to better understanding the character and often to changing the name just on the brink of going to the publisher.
ReplyDeleteOh, that's a good thought! It clarifies why it works, or doesn't.
DeleteAll the usual for me: SS database, local HS directory, popular TV shows from a character's birth year (Krystal, anyone? or Sue Ellen?) In my new book, the dean of the college appears on page one and tries to take over the narrative. Built like a biathlete and encumbered by a walking boot and cane, she is a force of nature.
ReplyDeleteSo interesting! My daughter was a biathlete who skied for the U.S. team. (Selden)
DeleteAnd? Whats her name?
DeleteLucy! The funny thing is that if my son born in 1987 had been a girl, he would have been Lucy, and he would have been almost the sole Lucy in his age cohort. Ten years later, our Lucy was one of three Lucys in her nursery school class. (Selden)
DeleteCharacter names are important to me. I get confused when they all start with the same letter, as Hank mentioned. I get annoyed when the name doesn't suit the time and context. And I get frustrated when the name is so odd that I cannot grasp it and keep tripping up on it. Sorry, I have no advice, just real clarity on what doesn't work for me, which is not helpful, I know...
ReplyDeleteThis is all good! I had a character once named Corrinne. As I was writing, sometimes i could spell it Corrinne, and sometimes Corinne, and sometimes Corrine--and that was just Briley telling me: MY NAME IS NOT CORRINE. OR ANY OF THOSE.
DeleteI'm not a fan of being too cutesy with names--although I will give fantasies a pass from that judgment. An example that comes to mind is the series (which I like by the way and will hopefully read more of) by Julia Chapman set in the Yorkshire Dales. Her main characters are Samson and Delilah. I almost didn't read the book because it just seemed like a gimmick.
ReplyDeleteI loved that series – every one of them, which must be read in order. I equate it with the feel good quality of Thursday Murder Club – even if there is a dead person.
DeleteYeah, that's might be pretty contrived. Although, clearly meant to be. SO if you are in on the joke, it could work. Especially if--as it sounds like--the book is good!
DeleteI'm with Pat S. when it comes to using the first letter on multiple characters. I find the older I get the less enthused I am about going back in the book to remember if Annie was old or young, Ava was snippy or gentle and Anita was matriarch or nosy neighbor. Just not worth the effort.
ReplyDeleteYears ago I ran across a writing exercise that said if you wanted to know about your character, take each letter in their name and see how it describes their personality. For instance, Julia was Joyous, Upbeat, Loveable, Intense, and Agreeable. I found that to be rather enlightening. Maybe when you're stumped you can look at the character's defining traits and see how that contributes to finding a name for them. -- Victoria
Oh, wow, that is a great exercise! It would really set the character in your head.
DeleteVictoria, I'm personally approving that interpretation of the name Julia!
DeleteSuch an interesting topic! I have noticed that names seem to be getting, um I'll use the word quirkier, but that really isn't what I mean. Maybe it's just that I am old.
ReplyDeleteIn The Black Wolf by Louise Penny, there are two important characters with last names the began with a W and ended with a D. Both names were two syllables. Very confusing to me and I always had to stop and think when I came across the name, to know exactly who that character was.
But I notice names in the credits too. One that caught my eye is Shougal McDougal. That name became stuck in my head and I wondered about the person. Since they were listed as a location assistant on a Scottish show, I wondered if it was an actual Scottish name, or more of a nickname.
In some places, Iceland for one, there is a list of acceptable names when naming babies. I just searched for more information, which was fascinating. On Iceland's approved list are about 1,800 names for each gender. Some countries the name must indicate the gender.
None of this is much help to you, Hank, but I am sure you will come up with some good names.
Yes, so fascinating--the Icelandic names tell you something about the person's family instantly!
DeleteI enjoyed reading this, Hank. Now I understand your responses when asked about names. I believed you had used the meaning of the name when choosing a character. This turned out to be a good fit in some of your books.
ReplyDeleteTyping on my Kindle, this is Coralee, who has yet to see a character, not even a pet, with this name.
DeleteI loved the Edith in Downton Abbey and kept hoping for a resurgence in baby Ediths. So far haven't seen it!
DeleteOur neighbor has twin daughters, now in their 20s, named Leah and Edith. Edie is named for her grandmother.
DeleteWow, thanks, Karen! A little girl in Ida Rose's music class is also Edie.
DeleteI think if a character's name means something, I find that out later. I don't choose by that. But as you said, sometimes it is wonderfully fitting! I love the name Coralee, and I will do my best to use it! (But you know, since I don;t outline, no guarantees on who she might turn out to be...)
DeleteEdith, I had aunts Edith and Dorothy, both born in the Edwardian era. My cousin Edith (daughter of Edith) was dubbed "Miss-E" as a child and has remained so all her life. I love those names, Edith and Dorothy. They need a resurgence! (Selden)
DeleteOne of my aunts was Dorothy, and one great aunt was Edith, except she changed it to the more fashionable Edythe in college (in about 1920 or so).
DeleteLeah and Edith, that's so sweet!
DeleteWhat irks me is when the first chapter of a book introduces 30 different characters. That forces me to write them all down in my reading notebook with a short summary of who each is. If I don’t, then by chapter two, I am lost. Some books include a summary of who the main characters are in the front of the book. That works just fine! Issue number two is international mysteries that use foreign names that my brain can’t easily remember. So, I need to rename them in my head. Lastly, regular American first and last names are fine although weird last names drive me nuts! If you need to look for first names, just google the most common names by year that social security keeps track of!
ReplyDeleteThe idea that a reader would have to keep track of characters in a notebook brings chills to my heart. That seems like a massive failure of the author.
DeleteI confess that I sometimes do wonder how authors come up with names considering that they have to come up with so many in each book, even with any returning characters already set.
ReplyDeleteSo I like seeing the process behind picking those names that don't come from auction wins or crowdsourced cries of help I have sometimes seen on social media.
For me, my fictional but likely to always stay completely unwritten detective is an homage to someone from my own life but with a twist. And no, it isn't anyone here in case you are wondering. I chose it because of it being a way to honor the person who was so important but didn't want it to be a straight name lift. Plus the way I did it, it has what I think is a slightly cooler reader hook sound to it.
Plus I think the "A (first name) (last name) Mystery or Thriller" on the bottom of the front cover would look cool too.
We are eagerly awaiting your book, Jay!!
DeleteI can offer you some family names:
ReplyDeleteViola Kathleen (my mother – called Kathleen)
Vera Lucretia – no saving for either part of that one
Ruby Jeannette – not much hope there either
Arthur Vaughn – thankfully called Arthur
Shirley Thirza – well of course she was called Shirley but named after Aunt Thirza
And possibly the winner – Elva Frances – do NOT call her Elva! Of course there were three Franceses – Frances Grace, Frances Pearl and poor old Elva Frances – known as Fran.
There were also lots of others – Eliza, Bernice, Egan, Enid, Hattie and of course my favourite – Esmerelda. We did name a son Tristan – before it became trendy and it fits him. Don’t call him Tris…
There were two women who lived on the same street where I grew up. Both were elegant (that means they put on a hat, a grey dress and would go out to tea). They both were sticklers for propriety and so were chosen as testers for various Girl Guide badges. We were terrified of them! They failed my Blanc Mange – 3 times! They, were of course only known by their surnames at least to the children. One was Mrs Jimmy Ned, and the other Mrs Lyle – both were Townsend but never call Mrs Townsend. Mrs Lyle was known intimately as Phoebe, and Mrs Jimmy Ned as Jenny – but never called that - ever!
Speaking of nicknames – you could name the person Francesca and call her Fran by her friends, Francesca by her loved ones – or her mother.
These are all great! And a wonderful example of how much weight a name carries, and how it trips your imagination. And "they failed my blanc mange three times" is completely hilarious. I am sorry it happened, of course, but that's so dear. And certainly formative!
DeleteMargo, my best friend's 7-year granddaughter is named Hattie. Her little brothers are Otto and Archie.
DeleteOh, my gosh, Otto and Archie! So cute! And, as Harriet, I might easily have wound up Hattie.
DeleteJanet Evanovich has a lot of interesting character names in her Stephanie Plum mystery books. Most of the people live in an Italian neighborhood. But there are a number of people like her Black co worker Lula, her Italian boyfriend Joe Morelli and her sometimes boyfriend (of dubious origin and ethnicity) Carlos Manoso (Ranger).
ReplyDeleteI like some of the names in the Harry Potter series like Hermione, and Dudley.
ANd it shows what tightrope you have to walk to avoid stereotypes, right?
DeleteI've noticed Lucy Burdette uses a lot of real local Key West people's names in her book which I love!
ReplyDeleteI can look them up on Google and see what they are like in real life - some are local police officers, street vendors, artists, local restaurant owners/chefs, local minor celebrities, probably some library workers (?).
I would like to know how she picked the name Haley Snow?
Oh, I know that story! But we will let Lucy tell it!
DeleteAh, the joys of naming a character! Get it right and the writing flows! And yes to all of the above--don't give me too many characters with overly quirky names/spellings of common names, or hard to pronounce, or too similar to other characters. In my historical novellas, I used US census rolls for the particular time and place to search for names, as well as my genealogical research. For a standalone fantasy/mystery, the main character came to me in a dream image. I knew her name, where she was and generally why, but the story went nowhere until there was an inciting incident and she filled in the backstory. Six chapters later, I'm still plodding along. :-)
ReplyDeleteYAY Flora. And you have the best name ever...
DeleteAww, thanks, Hank!
DeleteI love Flora, too! And I think flower names are in fashion again. Ivy, Rose, Daisy, Lily, Jasmine, Violet--how about a flower name for your character, Hank?
DeleteSounds easier to name your children than fictional characters!
ReplyDeleteYears ago I was taking my father-in-law to the Cincinnati airport, which happens to be in Kentucky. There is an exit close by to a road called Mineola Pike. As we were passing it he said he had always wanted to write book using it for a woman's name. Don't you see Minnie Pike as a particular person?
I started collecting other highway exit signs with probable names, and I have a couple dozen.
That is WONDERFUL. And yes, I can absolutely see MInnie Pike. And Mineola Pike. So great. DO you remember any of the other ones? I promise not to swipe them... :-)
DeleteFrom Karen: one is from I-75, between Toledo and Dayton: Anna Minter, which are two tiny towns about 8 miles apart. I can't think of others right now, and I'm in Phoenix so can't check my list. But you could make an entire family out of "Lake" names: Burt Lake in Michigan, for example.
DeleteA lot of politicians and sports figures past and current have interesting names. They frequently reflect their geographical origins.
ReplyDeleteIt’s nice when a person is named for a favorite relative or friend. If the name is unusual there should be some reference to explain why that name was chosen.
A name often has a religious significance or to perpetuate a family name which might define the reason for its usage.
One of my relatives married a woman with the initials PIG. She never used a monogram with the three letters. I also have a cousin JAM. In his father’s family a son’s name always begins with a J.
I’m also not fond of cute spellings of traditional names or names that can be either male or female and can confuse the story line.
You have to be SO careful with initials! Poor woman. That's awful.
DeleteMy best friend's initials were BO, and some made fun of her. Niw she's the BOS.
DeleteHow about Ima Hogg, daughter of Texas governor James Hogg? How could anyone do that to a child?? She rose above it, however, and became a great philanthropist, founding the Houston Symphony among other things.
DeleteA neighbor once had a co-worker whose name was Cuba Ice. -- Victoria
DeleteDo you think of initials like ACE when naming a character?
ReplyDeleteI always think about their initials. Yes, it's a minefield!
DeleteI Love Names ! Here are a few family names : Terry Timmerman , Edmond Rylander , Martha Terry Thompson, Tracy Elizabeth , Mary Helen Mathews, Louis Potter, Charles William, Lynn Marie, Lisa Gaye , Paul Willis , Georgia Ann … (Mary E )
ReplyDeleteThank you! Why am I so drawn to Rylander? Oh, right.... :-)
DeleteOne summer when I was a Girl Scout camp counselor (a million years ago), two girls in my charge were named Holly Leaf and Timber Wolfe (not making that up!). Parents, huh? Do I dare use them in a book?
ReplyDeleteNOOOOOO poor things! Use them in a book--ah, you'd have to be very careful about why they are named that. Don't you think it's the kind of thing that would make a reader stop reading?
DeleteIt was decided long before I was conceived what my name was going to be. Dad said it as a joke as they hadn't planned on having a 3rd child. Once I came around, Dad didn't back down. What I hate in a name is if difficult to pronounce or being different for just the sake of being different. Then that child is walking around always correcting spelling or pronounceation
ReplyDeleteYes, and that's such a good point. If a character is named--just for example--Siddoney. ANd it's pronounced Sidney. HOW do the people in the book know it's spelled that way? That is SUCH a snag for me.
DeleteMy husband Rudi loves recording Eddie Muller's Noir Alley on Turner Classic Movies. All those black and white and brooding crime drama films from the 1940's and 50's. Last week we watched a movie called "Blind Spots" from 1947. Chester Morris plays an alcoholic author who is wrongly accused of murdering his publisher the same way as his plot for his next murder mystery book...the victim is found in a room locked from the inside. Along the way of trying desperately to remember how he was going to solve the real murder based on how he planned to solve the murder in his next book he becomes involved with the publisher's secretary played by the very beautiful Constance Dowling. Of course it's the same old story...the older boss pursues the young secretary who doesn't appreciate his advances...and she becomes a suspect as well. The interaction between the two characters was magical but the best part of the movie was when she told Jeffrey (the alcoholic author) her name...Evelyn Green. I went bananas...Green was my maiden name. I was never confident that it was a great combination until I heard Constance Dowling say it...lol...and suddenly it was the best combo ever! :-) P.S. For all your wonderful murder mystery writers...what an interesting story line for a film. Murdering one's publisher! (In a room that is locked from the inside).
ReplyDeleteOh, I am going to find that movie INSTANTLY! And Evelyn Green is a perfect name!
DeleteFor the first twenty years of my life, I landed n the boys gym class because my name is Gerri (not short for anything.). For the next fifty years people hear my name and say oh Gerri Lewis, how's Dean Martin or some such thing. Not sure why they think that is funny!!! Interestingly, people don't think about Jerry Lewis or Jerry Lee Lewis when they see my byline or my name on my books. So I think spelling is important to consider. My books are about an obit writer named Winter Snow. I wanted her to have a memorable name she can be teased about (not to mention obituaries are written in the winter of your life!) Readers have a love/hate relationship with her name--at least they remember her though! Too cutesy for anything but a contemporary cozy. Other character names just pop into my head. I still haven't figured a last name for Winter's neighbor Horace, but so far he hasn't needed one. My children's names-Tyson, Christian and Gillian--came from a dog-eared copy of Name Your Baby where you get definitions of names. I've also used that for characters. The dog in my book was named after my own dog--Diva--and trust me she was a diva!
ReplyDeleteAll this is so fascinating--and shows how much thought has to go into every name!
DeleteOur last name is perpetually misspelled and/or mispronounced. I knew my sons would have to deal with that, so I at least wanted them to have easy to spell & pronounce first names (Robert & Matthew) that are also meaningful to our family.
ReplyDeleteIn fiction, I like characters who either have familiar names ~ or ~ really unusual names for a specific purpose that serves the story. I recently read a two-book series with a female character named Paradise. I found it annoying. The author belatedly explained that the character's mother named her Paradise because she was born in Hawaii. Still lame & lacking imagination, in my opinion. But it would have been a bit more palatable if the author had provided the explanation at the outset. That character name, somewhat surprisibly, impacted my enjoyment of the story & the books, as well as my desire to read more of the author's books.
Yeah, so true! Names like that can definitely go either way. It's such a high wire act between being cool and being distracting.
DeleteThis is so timely! I had to come up with 3 names just this morning. Since I write a serial/series, I have to manage the names coming forward from previous books along with the characters who appear in my WIP. It can get tricky and I'm not sure I have a real process but this is how it usually goes.
ReplyDeleteMy 3 characters today are all minor players - 2 of them will only appear in this one book. They are: a small-time criminal who was working in a vineyard, a wine expert, and a produce farmer. First, I did some image searches for people who fit the characters. For the criminal, I wanted a tough guy who wasn't ambitious or educated beyond fast-money grabs. I decided he should come from an impoverished area in the U.S. so I picked a location and googled "(area) common male names" and again, "(area) common surnames" then I scrolled around and picked a pair. He has an unremarkable name of "Buck Mullens." For a female professional viticulturist and wine expert, I wanted a sophisticated name so I simply googled "sophisticated female names" chose from a few sites/options and wound up with "Audriella Fromala" - her surname is a fracture I created from other surnames. The third character was to be a produce farmer and, at the last minute, I decided it should be a female. Then as I scrolled through pictures, I found an older Asian female perfect for the part. I wanted her to be Southeast Asian and did the google thing to come up with a nearly-generic name, "Huang Tran." It's not a very scientific system but it generally gets the characters on the page.
I love your system! And once they're on the page, you can see if they work.
DeleteI also agree with Pat S. when it comes to first initials for characters' names. Part of my series bible are two lists of the alphabet, with a number next to each letter showing how many names start with that letter. One list of for first names, the other for surnames. For some reason, I often default to K names, so I have to rein that in.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that so funny? I always go toward M and C. And A. Always!
DeleteHank ~ Have you used Maeve yet? Our dear friends' granddaughter is named Maeve and I love it. A one syllable name so it can't be condensed. As this young lady grows older she also has "grown" into her name as well....sweet, smart and sophisticated. You mentioned that you gravitate to the letter M.
DeleteEven though we know the rules, we can fail to follow them. Having started with Duncan Kincaid, I should never have named his later-in-the-series sergeant Doug Cullen. Two Ds, two K sounds for two major male characters. Ouch. But now Doug is Doug and I can't imagine changing him.
DeleteWhen I was pregnant, my sister (a first grade teacher) told me to avoid “J” names. We named our son a name beginning with “K”. In his fourth grade class, there were two Kevins, a Kelvin, a Khiarrash, and a Kenny!
DeleteEvelyn: Maeve is SO great. And perfect for a Boston name.
DeleteSometimes a character comes with a name. Sometimes they fight me. I go with the flow. Because at the end of the day, when I review my names, they always need to be tweaked. Always. Because I've got too many names with M. Or this one sounds too close to that one. I'm nearly at the point with my WIP where I sort that out and do a massive search and replace to fix all the names.
ReplyDeleteI do, however, think sometimes the names have to fit the characters. You absolutely can't have an ultra-series character with a name like Pippy. :)
I hear you! Good luck with the name game!
DeleteNames. My husband and I were still debating names on the way to the hospital after labor started. He was very definite about boys' names, unconcerned about girls'. Oh well. Your post reminded me about my HS geometry teacher: Zora Zong Gaines. What a name. And of an older parishioner of our church years ago: Arabella Gildersleeve. I have a personal prejudice against the name Cindy. The people I've known and liked with that name, I always thought they were misnamed. They weren't Cindys. And don't start me on Tammy. Just no.
ReplyDeleteThis totally makes me laugh. Arabella Gildersleeve. Now there's a name with some heft! Also, CIndy and Tammy. It's a minefield! I named someone Cyndi in a book, knowing and embracing the potential baggage.
DeleteThen, at a book event, I said to a bookbuyer--who shall I sign this to? And the reader said: Cyndi, and spelled it. She had not read the book yet. Dun-dun-DUN.
Hank, I like part of your first name listed, Gretchen, but not the Ana and she needs a different last name, maybe one of the others listed--Gretchen Charles or Gretchen Coughlin or Gretchen Collins. For me, Gretchen is different enough but not too quirky, a name that doesn't have a lot of attachments to other stories. So, I do like a bit of quirky, something more memorable than common names. Of course, I also like names that I am not going back and forth on how to pronounce, as it interferes with my focus on the story. I hate to bring this up, Debs, but if you're going to use Karo for a nickname for Karoline, please tell me if you pronounce it "Care-O" or "K-Ro." A name I like that doesn't get a lot of love is my maternal grandmother's name, Matilda, or rather I like her nickname of Milly. Really close friends or intimates could all her Mil.
ReplyDeleteI love Matilda. Love love love. But it does create an image... (And PS, you have ESP. A character in the WIP already has the name Tilda.)
DeleteWhen I spoke to a group of girl scouts three years ago, all age ten or so (and white in my small city in northeast MA), I collected their names. I love how old-fashioned they sounded:
ReplyDeleteNora
Cora x 2
Anna
Rosie
Grace
Olivia
Eloise
That is adorable!
DeleteSome of my nine-year-old granddaughter Wren's soccer team: Angela, Zoe, Freya, Nora, Farisha, Rhianna, Lavan (a long first A, as in lake,) Eleanor, and Valerie. Such fun!
DeleteEdith, my great nieces, oldest (25) to youngest (2 and 1, who are great great nieces):
DeleteJasmine
Jocelyn
Riley
Amelia
Bella
Maple
Olivia
Rosie
Nora
Oakley
Gracelynn
The boys are Nathan, Easton and Louis.
I love naming my characters, but my first set of names sometimes gets changed midway. I use a fifteen-year-old Canton of Bern phone book for adults, and a list of favorite baby names by year for kids. Just tentatively named a new character Maya.
ReplyDeleteWhat is a phone book? Ha ha ha. Love Maya!
DeleteI miss our small local phone book and also miss being able to dial 411 and ask the operator to look up someone's phone number and sometimes their street address.
DeleteYes, it was always fun to see if you could convince them to give you the address!
DeleteI taught from '96-2012 in two predominantly Mexican American communities. I love Spanish names. Some popular names that I recall were Isabela, Gabriela (Gabby), Yasmine, Claudia, Maribel, Marisol, Adelita, Alicia, etc. and surprisingly some popular US names from the '50/60's like Nancy, Laura, etc.
ReplyDeleteI love Claudia, pronounced as in "plow." So pretty. Also Maribel.
DeleteAt my son and his wife's baby shower Saturday, we were asked to add name ideas to a list started at their Puerto Rican shower in September (Alexandra is from there). So many lovely Spanish names!
DeleteYes, so lovely! ANd again, instant backstory of some kind...but who knows what.
DeleteMy lucky number is 9. So my kids' names have 9 letters--Johnathan and Stephanie!
ReplyDeleteOh, wow, I have never heard that before!
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