Wednesday, July 26, 2023

John Lescroart offers advice like: Don't be afraid to hang out in Idiot Mode

HALLIE EPHRON: This past weekend I taught at the annual Mystery Writers Conference at Book Passage in beautiful Corte Madera California.


If you’re in the Marin area, put Book Passage on your itinerary. It’s a gorgeous, rambling store and their events and classes are world class. They host events just about every night I’ve been going to teach at the conference since 2007 and it never disappoints.

The bookstore is owned by Elaine and Bill Petrocelli, and the conferences are run by their amazing daughter, Kathryn Petrocelli (I'm her #1 fangrrrl).



What’s especially nice is when a writer who was working on a manuscript comes back later with a PUBLISHED book. That’s what happened with Cara Black and Tim Maleeny (the authors who chair the conference) – they both came to the conference as participants and now, many published books later, they run it.

This year, a featured speaker was John Lescroart (pronounced Le-squaw – and we all love to say it.) His new book, THE MISSING PIECE, is the 19th in the New York Times bestselling Dismas Hardy series… but he didn’t talk about his book. (Because this was a writing event, not a book event!)


Interviewed by Tim Maleeny, he talked about writing, and it was fascinating. I furiously took notes and I only hope I can do justice to some of what he shared about his writing process.


  • In each chapter he sets the scene, “I put the characters on the page and get them interacting with each other. If you’re lucky, a little conflict arise. Something has to happen.” 
This sounds SO obvious, but let me tell you it is not and it’s absolutely fundamental. 

What about editing? Or is what comes out in rough draft close to the finished product?
  • He talked about writing in two modes: “Genius mode” and “Idiot mode” – genius mode is where he lingers when writing in first draft.
    “When I’m getting the story out, I cannot make a mistake. I don’t question it."
    But when he gets in to edit what he wrote, “I look at it and say, this is awful. I’m an idiot.”
    He gets into a rhythm, swinging from Genius to Idiot. 

What advice does he have for writers? 

  • Don’t be afraid to be terrible or good. - Try to make dialogue as real as possible (when you revise) 
  • Create unique voices in dialogue that are so distinctive that you don’t need attribution (so-and-so said) 
  • Get the FIRST SENTENCE written and that will lead you to the next. 

When does he let other people read his manuscript? 

  • Not until he’s done with ALL the revisions ("Otherwise you have other people saying you’re an idiot, and you don’t want that.") 

And by the way, when he started writing, it took 14 years before he submitted his first book to a publisher. 

A final word: 

  • "Sometimes you have to kill someone in a mystery. Most of the time I’m shocked when it happens, especially for a recurring character.” 

(And if you’ve somehow missed his wonderful series/writer, his advice on the first book to read is HARD EVIDENCE, the first in the Dismas Hardy series.) 

Have you ever found yourself trying something new and having to give yourself permission to be in Idiot Mode?

48 comments:

  1. Wonderful blog, Hallie.

    Frankly, I think idiot mode is my normal behavior! My palm has calluses from smacking my forehead. When I think I might be entering genius mode, it scares me, and back to my comfort zone I go!

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    1. Me, too - Underpromise: Overdeliver - that's always my safety zone. That way I'm never disappointed.

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  2. This is fascinating, Hallie.

    Since I tend to be overly-critical of myself, even with something new, Idiot Mode is generally my normal state . . . usually it helps me get to the right place with whatever it is that I'm doing . . . .

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  3. Thank you for passing along his wisdom, Hallie - I've read his name but never any of his books. I'll start with the recommended Hard Evidence.. I visited Book Passage last October for the first time, and am thrilled to be appearing there - with Rhys! - on October 30 this fall.

    I think anyone who starts a new musical instrument or maybe any new art pursuit has no choice but to operate in Idiot mode at the beginning.

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    1. Wow, Edith, super news. What a pleasure it would be to see you and Rhys together. You will be at Crime Bake, though? Right?

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    2. How wonderful, Edith! I do *wish* Rhys were coming to Crime Bake. But she'll be at Bouchercon (with all the other Jungle Reds but me... sob)

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    3. Thanks, and yes, I'll be at Crime Bake. Sorry you won't be at Bcon, Hallie.

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    4. Oh Edith, I so hope to make it in October! This weekend wasn't possible, but Book Passage is a *great* store and I've attended many events there.

      Anne Lamott, Amy Tan, and Isabel Allende frequent BP, and I've taken workshops with Anne, and seen Amy there occasionally. A reader's paradise! ~Lynda

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  4. I follow the rules and think I'm a genius at doing what's right. But when something interrupts that flow, I definitely go into idiot mode as I'm at now dealing with auto insurance and claims of a car accident where I was a passenger. Why does no one return a phone call? Drives me crazy. Especially when the form requires info that only they can give.

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    1. Oh, Dru, how frustrating! If there is a way around the idiots, I do hope you find it!

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    2. They deliberately make it hard for you. Did you see Amazon was being fined for making it too hard for to cancel a subscription? And I cancelled a land line with Verizon and they made it impossible for me to figure out how to pay my final bill so then I got a penalty for not paying. I don't need to ask: go figure? because the motivation (or lack thereof) is obvious.

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    3. It is not difficult to navigate Amazon. Use the AI chat function, it is very accommodating. They changed their web site to make things easier for the consumer several months ago.

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  5. I'm in constant Idiot Mode when I'm trying to follow Google Map directions to get somewhere; I've always been hopeless at finding places, and I never seem to improve. Thank goodness my husband has a brilliant sense of direction (part innate, part thanks to his Swiss Army service). But sometimes, I'd like to be able to get somewhere on my own. My sister and I were just in Amsterdam together for nine days, and although we had a fabulous time, when it came to finding museums, bus stops, restaurants, etc., it was like Laurel and Hardy Go on Vacation. At least it's comforting to know that we BOTH have an equally terrible sense of direction and ghastly map-reading skills. BTW, Hallie, thanks for sharing John's tips. "Create unique voices in dialogue" is something I'm always trying to do, but it's good to hear a reminder of how crucial it is.

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    1. I'm bad on directions, too. My old Garmin felt much easier to follow than Google Map.

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    2. Oh, Kim, that sounds worrisome, living in a place where streets might be ancient and originally plotted on a goat path, or something.

      But I did laugh at the Laurel and Hardy comment. Great description!

      And congratulations on the award finalist nom!

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    3. Apple maps are easier to use than Google.

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    4. Kim, my sister and I were in Chicago last Fall and were complete idiots when trying to walk from Place A to B using Google Maps. I kept saying that I usually (think) have a pretty good sense of direction, but we were both idiots! (And our father was a navigator for the airlines before everything was computerized!)

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  6. I hope nobody minds if I share a piece of good news here: PESTICIDE, the first book in my Polizei Bern series, is a finalist for this year's Silver Falchion Award in Killer Nashville's Best Mystery category. Of course, there are NINE other finalists (not to mention over 100 finalists in all their other categories!) But I'm still delighted.

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    1. Congratulations, Kim. That is fantastic news!! Your book is on my TBR. I must order it today while I am thinking of it.

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    2. Thrilled for you, Kim!! That's womderful news!

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  7. Thanks, Hallie, for telling us how to say John's name. Whew!
    I do like to start at book #1, so I will get it from the library. Irwin may like his series, too.

    Did you have a good time in California? It's great to have a conference like that on your calendar every year where you know you'll see old friends. I miss that.

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    1. It is such a pleasure! And what a great roster they have: Naomi Hirohara, Rachel Howzell Hall, Laurie R. King, Rhys Bowen(!) and more. They also had a medical examiner, FBI agent, cyber crimes expert...

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  8. WOW, the Book Passage conference sounds great. FYI, I am such a fan of Tim Maleeny, and I had no idea that he co-chairs this event with Cara!

    As for idiot mode, I am awful when assembling a new piece of furniture or using a new gadget. Even when I look at the instructions, I tend to do it wrong the first time.

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    1. It's why I patronize my local hardware store (Shoutout to Curry Hardware!) because they assemble anything you buy there that needs assembly. I assemble badly. Jerry did it, but it always put him in a fowl mood.

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    2. "Fowl..." I see what you did there, Hallie.

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  9. He sounds lovely. yes of course Idiot mode for first draft by all means, especially when I dictate! But I'd be sad not to be able to share anything before final draft--my writers group helps so much...

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    1. ... and you're blessed with a particularly good writers group

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  10. So interesting to me that "Genius Mode" comes before "Idiot Mode", but it makes sense. I guess he wants to write with all the confidence in the world the first time through, and then catch and fix all the errors going through. I will have to pick up his first book. I spend quite a bit of time in Idiot Mode, but am coming to accept that it's a necessary part of life.

    When I saw your picture of Book Passage, it looked so familiar--then I realized that I have one of their book marks. During the pandemic, they offered an on-line event with Isabel Allende discussing her book Violeta, that I attended with my Spanish teacher (in Mexico) and my friend from class (in Eugene). The event was really great, and included the book in Spanish or English (and the book mark). I certainly spend time in Idiot Mode when I speak Spanish.

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    1. I do too, Gillian! Learning a foreign language is another classic example of starting in Idiot mode - but if we don't practice, we never get better.

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    2. Yes a foreign language is a challenge to me, too. And more and more as the years trundle by.

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  11. It seems to me that I'm always in idiot mode, so much so that I recently revised a short story by repeatedly referring to the transcript of a webinar on (what else?) deep third POV. It worked!

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    1. That's not idiot mode! You're being really smart.

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  12. Wonderful advice. I'm trying something a little new right now. I think I'm going to be spending a lot of time in Idiot Mode. LOL

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    1. I'm about to embark o a major new project and plan to wallow in idiot mode.

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  13. I’ve read all of John Lescroart’s Dismas Hardy books.Love them!
    We recently started playing Pickleball and I felt like the idiot on the court. Now, after a couple of classes and reading Pickleball for Dummies, I just need to figure out how to execute what I have learned.

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  14. Hallie, sounds like a wonderful conference! Gosh, Lescroart has been writing a long time. I'm pretty sure I first read one of his thrillers in the late 1980s. Clearly, he works in Genius mode more than any other!

    Yesterday I got to spend time cuddling and playing with our newest family members, five-month old twin redheaded girls, great granddaughters of Steve's older cousin. And both Genius and Idiot modes of mothering kicked in. Olivia fell asleep in my arms, but Madeline wouldn't stop crying when I held her and I had to hand her back to Gammy. It's been a long time since I could recognize the different cries! But, oh, how sweet they are.

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  15. Loved the mystery writing conference, Hallie. I was there about 9 years ago. Great faculty. I learned a lot. That was something new for me. I do not know if it was "idiot mode" though.

    Whenever I try something new, I give myself permission to give myself time to learn something new. Cannot expect to know something right off the bat, right?

    It took me four years to learn how to ice skate on my own. Eventually I got there.

    Diana

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  16. P.S. Today is the 33rd anniversary of Americans with Disabilities Act.

    Diana

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  17. I think I'm living in an unending Idiot Mode right. The new, better management way of making system changes, adding new emp!oyees, is "you need to teach yourself". They send instructions but no "in person" support. It took me more than 60 days and multiple calls to the "Help Desk" to finally correct the issue for one new employee and by then I had two more new employees that I had add to the system's schedule templates, each with their one issues to get it right. Frustrating but I do say teaching myself something new in this system just isn't happening so you need to walk me through this STEP BY STEP.

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  18. Oh, you are so fabulous to be teaching there! It's one of my life goals. And I love love love John Lescroart. As I have told him, probably too many times, his Dismas Hardy books were formative to my writing. I think he is a flat out genius. Not sure what "genius mode" is, but in my first drafts, I constantly say to myself--"Wow, that's awful! But just go on go on go on, you can fix it later. Just get the story out." Then editing is my treasure hunt mode--"Let's what we have here...."

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  19. I recently gave myself permission to embrace "idiot mode." For a recovering perfectionist, embracing mistakes as learning opportunities has been an entire philosophical paradigm shift.

    I've also learned stories about embracing mistakes or failures and then moving on are much more fun to hear.

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  20. What a glorious establishment and venue! Wish we had one here in Tucson.

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  21. First, I love John Lescroart’s books. (And you definitely should read them in order because there’s a lot of character development and “stuff” that happens that reverberates later in the series.) I haven’t read him in awhile (too busy keeping up with the Reds’ offerings and all of the books suggested herein) so need to catch up.

    As to idiot vs genius mode, I spend much more time in the former than the latter in most things, I fear. Recently we made a disastrous switch from T-Mobile to Consumer Cellular and then back to T-Mobile. We learned more about the steamy underside of the cellular phone business than we ever cared to know, but one thing that happened is we had to repurchase the new phones we’d just bought a month previously. I have become a genius at putting screen protectors and cases on phones! However, I am still in idiot mode when trying to figure out which phone my husband is referring to at any given moment. “Are you talking about the new phone or the new, new phone? And is it your work phone or your personal phone?” And, of course, one of us has an iPhone and the other a Samsung. Can I just go back to a rotary dial home phone, please? — Pat S.

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  22. Hi all! I just wanted to put in a quick note for those who haven't read John's books and plan to: his first Dismas Hardy book is actually Dead Irish. You can read about the series on his site: https://johnlescroart.com/

    I’m thinking he may have said Hard Evidence was first, possibly, because it's where the series kind of comes into its own, but in my humble opinion (ha!), starting with Dead Irish really helps with an understanding of who Dis is and how he started. I so agree that his books are SENSATIONAL -- I'm actually a little embarrassed to admit that I've read through the entire Dismas Hardy series more than once!! SO GOOD. And he is a wonderful person along with being an amazing writer. Happy reading!!!

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  23. Encouraged to hear so many others feel in "idiot mode" while writing. At times I've spun out brilliant passages and revision time arrives and I have no idea what I was thinking. Thanks, Hallie, for passing on John's advice.

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