Thursday, July 20, 2023

Lucy is Investigating ChatAI



LUCY BURDETTE: You may think I’m wandering a bit today, but I promise you everything is related. First, I’m working like mad to finish Key West food critic mystery #14, no title yet. It begins like this: 



Key West food critic Hayley Snow is working on this week’s articles for Key Zest magazine when an intriguing e-mail hits her inbox, titled Hemingway’s toxic love and an old story. Catherine Davitt tells Hayley that she has returned to the Keys to research a book, but she also wants to investigate the disappearance of an old friend back in the late 1970s. The two young women were part of a group of lost souls camping in the mangroves on Big Pine Key, until Catherine’s friend Veronica disappeared, and the Sheriff’s Office cleaned out the camp.

Meanwhile, I’ve been vaguely aware that all the world has been talking about artificial intelligence, but I have not paid much attention until recently. It seems as though over the past few weeks, it's turned up everywhere! I now know that we as writers (and other people!) have to pay attention because this technology could be life-changing. Already, the Authors Guild is calling on leaders of generative IA companies to compensate writers whose work was used to develop the programs. Here’s a good article on Authors Guild concerns


The subject also came up at my writers group meeting two weeks ago. You've met Ang and Chris before. Aside from writing, my friend Angelo is working on the New England Crime Bake conference schedule. They’ve decided do a panel on the subject of AI, since many writers are concerned about where it’s headed and what it will mean for our craft and careers.

Then he showed Chris and me how the website works. We put in a query from my current work in progress, that went something like ‘why would someone murder someone else in a commune in the woods?’

Here’s a screenshot of some the ideas that were generated:



Wow! I was impressed. AI wasn’t going to write the book for me, but I could imagine it might help with brainstorming.

After my pals went home, I decided to ask the chat site another question. As mentioned above, one of the characters in book 14 is writing her own book about what women can learn about toxic love from studying Hemingway’s wives. I assumed she would have written other articles about toxic love to land a book contract, so I asked the ChatAI: If a person is writing articles about toxic love, what might the titles be? This list was generated in less than a minute:

"Breaking Free: Escaping the Clutches of Toxic Love"

"Love Gone Wrong: Unmasking the Signs of Toxic Relationships"

"Healing from Toxic Love: Rebuilding a Stronger You"

"The Hidden Dangers of Toxic Love: Protecting Your Emotional Well-being"

"Toxic Love: Unveiling the Dark Side of Relationships"

"Breaking the Cycle: Overcoming Toxic Love Patterns"

"When Love Becomes Poisonous: Recognizing and Confronting Toxicity"

"Navigating the Labyrinth of Toxic Love: Finding Your Way to Healing"

"Toxic Love: Understanding the Impact on Mental Health"

"Toxic Love Red Flags: How to Spot and Avoid Unhealthy Relationships"

I was stunned! I couldn’t have come up with these titles in a week—and they are spot on! I wasn’t about to use this list and pretend it was mine, but it did spark the next scene:


I tapped Catherine’s full name into the search bar, thinking it might help if I knew more about what she’d been writing over the past ten years, or even longer. As she’d told me on the first day I met her, she had dozens of publications on various shades of toxic love. “Healing the Wounds of Toxic Love,” “How to Say No to an Abusive Relationship,” “Poisonous Love: How to Recognize and Confront Toxicity.” And then this one, “How a Toxic Family can Poison Future Relationships.” This surely had to do with Hemingway, and maybe Veronica, but I wondered if applied to Catherine herself as well? The next link really grabbed my attention: “The Mother Wound: How to Identify and Escape from Toxic Love in Your Family.”

I clicked on that title. Catherine had begun the article with a quote from Hemingway’s third wife, Martha Gellhorn, about how a woman should know better than to marry a man who hates his mother. That was followed by another quote from Gellhorn’s letters: “Deep in Ernest, due to his mother, going back to the indestructible first memories of childhood, was mistrust and fear of women.”


Finally I asked the website to write a book in the style of my series. Which it did—at least listing a summary of the chapters with titles. The writing wasn’t that great and only a total novice wouldn’t have recognized the difference. Phew!

So that’s what I’m writing and thinking about—my writer’s head is spinning! 

Have you had any brushes with AI? Where in the world do you think we’re headed? Are you concerned about this trend? Is it cheating for a writer to use this tool to brainstorm?

In addition, THE INGREDIENTS OF HAPPINESS is now in bookstores, and A CLUE IN THE CRUMBS will be published on August 8. If that’s not enough, the paperback edition of A DISH TO DIE FOR is out now too. I’m happy to give one away to a commenter today!

Don’t forget, all are welcome to my big double book launch party in Madison CT, at RJ Julia Booksellers on August 9 at 7. With cake! Call ahead to reserve your spot. 203-245-3959



91 comments:

  1. Wow . . . Although I have not had any brushes with AI, I think these examples clearly show why folks are concerned about AI. It doesn’t seem to me like cheating to use AI for brainstorming, but I wish I knew more about where all this might be heading. At this point, I’m not particularly concerned, but I think we ought to be keeping a close watch on the AI trends . . . .

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    1. We all need to watch this trend Joan! I think writers are particularly concerned about their work being used (without compensation) to train AI. It's a big sticking point in the Hollywood strikes

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  2. I don't think it is cheating to use AI for brainstorming. But I do wonder how many of those toxic love article titles are titles of real articles already published. I think AI still has a lot of Google in it.

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    1. Actually and remarkably, none of them are titles of real articles. If I put them into Google one by one, the only thing that comes up is this blog post! (Titles themselves can't be copyrighted, but it's still a fascinating question.)

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    2. That's interesting. I was basing what I said on what came up when my brother was playing around with it.

      And, yes, I realize that titles can't be copyrighted. But still, if you can tweak something a little, it's better.

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  3. I've had no brushes with AI, I've only seen it in some movies, as sci-fi. No, I don't thing it would be cheating to use it for brainstorming. I wish it was around years ago when I had to attend brainstorming sessions at work. Thank you for this chance at your giveaway. pgenest57 at aol dot com

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  4. Lucy, a really interesting, informative post! Thank you

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    1. Thanks Triss, and watch the Authors' Guild for more info...

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  5. Hmm. I haven't had any brushes with AI, but I can understand some of the concerns that it can get beyond human control. That's so interesting, though, what brainstorming possible titles came up with.

    Congratulations on your multiple releases and booksignings. Much as I would love a copy of A Dish to Die For, for reasons I mentioned in an earlier comment for an earlier book, don't throw my name in the pile, because it would have to go through customs if I won, and that's a hassle - for both sender and the receiver.

    Have a wonderful time on August 7th.

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  6. Wow. First of all, your book launch has been on my calendar for a long time. I will call them today and also reserve a copy of A CLUE IN THE CRUMBS. It's good that you mentioned to reserve a spot. It would be awful to not get in!
    THE INGREDIENTS OF HAPPINESS finally arrived and is on my TBR pile.

    Another Wow! AI is also a reason behind the Hollywood strikes this summer. I have not had a problem with it but everything I have read about it screams "ISSUES!" Today's teachers certainly have to worry about who did the work on that essay and that is the tip of the iceberg. The examples you cited above gave me chills.

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    1. Don't worry, you'll get in Judy:). Yes, teachers are very concerned about AI!

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  7. Oh, oh, oh! YAY, HURRAY, HALLIE!! CONGRATULATIONS! YAY!

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    1. Yes congrats to Hallie, chosen as the Milton Library writer in residence!

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    2. How awesome is that?! Congratulations, Hallie.

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    3. Congratulations Hallie !
      Danielle

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    4. What? That is fantastic - congrats Hallie. They picked the best!

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    5. HALLIE: Yay, congratulations!!!

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  8. That's fascinating, Roberta. And a bit scary.

    I think I've mentioned here before that I've started adding a disclaimer sentence to the Acknowledgments section of my books stating that the ideas and words in this novel were entirely generated by a human, or something to that effect. If I start brainstorming with AI, I'd have to change the first part of the statement, but that's unlikely to happen.

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    1. yes it is a bit scary. Did your publishers ask you to add that line?

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    2. No, I decided to. First included it on the book I turned in April 1.

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    3. Edith, that's great. Who would ever have thought we would need to see that in the acknowledgment?

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    4. Wonderful, Edith. I hope most authors make the same commitment

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    5. Hank Phillippi RyanJuly 20, 2023 at 11:38 AM

      I think that is so sad.

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  9. I don't know if I've had any brushes with AI, since they don't always tell you when it is involved in something. Well, maybe I have then, right?

    Where do I think it is headed? Given the way real intelligence seems to be disappearing faster than the rainforest or the world's glaciers, I won't be the least bit surprised when we find ourselves living during "The Rise of the Machines". Sadly.


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    1. No, we don't know when AI has been used! It's complicated and overwhelming...

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    2. YES! It all has a very Terminator vibe.

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  10. At this point, AI hasn’t affected me. However, if I were a writer, I’d be anxious about it. I’m in sympathy with the writers who are on strike.

    I would love to get to your book launch, Roberta, but thanks to cataracts, I have such a hard time trying to see if I drive after dark, and I would be driving home from a strange place after dark. Any chance you’ll get to the Barnes and Noble in Milford? (Good news: my cataract surgeries are scheduled!)

    Congratulations, Hallie!!!!!

    DebRo

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    1. Congrats on the scheduled surgery, DebRo!

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    2. Probably not Deb, but let's figure something out. So glad you have clearer vision in your future!

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    3. I can't make the launch for the same reason, Deb. No night driving for any distance.

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    4. Thanks, Flora!

      Roberta. I’ll be with you in spirit!

      Edith, most of my friends have stopped driving at night for the same reason. We can’t even help each other out!

      DebRo

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  11. No brushes yet, but what a teachers'/writers' nightmare! And I'm not sure I like the idea of using AI to even brainstorm. The 'brain' should be human, in my opinion, if you're writing something.

    Congrats on your double release, Lucy! I'm happy to report that The Ingredients of Happiness has touched down on the library's new shelf--briefly--it hasn't been seen since--people just keep checking it out!

    p.s. Jenn's Summer Reading also landed on the shelf--I'm spreading the word on both books as fast as I can!

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    1. So glad to hear that Happiness and Summer Reading made it to your library Flora!

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  12. I have been working with Bard, googles AI, an empathetic language program. I just asked this question: Roberta Isleib also known as Lucy Burdette, a well known cozy mystery writer has asked for comments about AI. What would you tell her? 200 words or less. Are you a threat? Here is Bard's response:
    Dear Roberta Isleib,

    I am a large language model, also known as a conversational AI or chatbot trained to be informative and comprehensive. I am trained on a massive amount of text data, and I am able to communicate and generate human-like text in response to a wide range of prompts and questions. For example, I can provide summaries of factual topics or create stories.

    I believe that AI has the potential to be a powerful tool for writers. For example, AI can be used to generate plot ideas, create character profiles, and even write entire stories. However, it is important to remember that AI is not a replacement for human creativity. AI can help writers to be more productive, but it cannot replace the human touch that makes stories so engaging.

    As for whether I am a threat to you as a writer, I believe that the answer is no. I am not designed to replace human writers, and I do not believe that I could ever do so. However, I do believe that I can be a valuable tool for writers, and I hope that you will consider using me to help you with your work.

    Sincerely,
    Bard

    This took under a minute to complete. (me again) would love to share more, been talking to computers since 1969.

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    1. note that Bard erred in thinking I was Roberta Isleib (I wish --smile)

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    2. we like you as Coralee:). That's an interesting response. I hope it's true that it will help us be more productive, without replacing us. Obviously, writers can't assume this!

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  13. Thank you for taking the plunge!

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  14. Congratulations on two releases!

    I'm anxious to put the main characters from my book and short stories into ChatGPT, ask for a plot line, and see what happens. I'm guessing my ideas are better.

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    1. thanks Margaret. My thoughts so far are that the AI ideas may be weak or off-base, but they might jog something loose in my brain that I can use!

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  15. Congratulations regarding both books! Woo hoo!

    My son amused us a couple of times by prompting ChatGPT to write short pieces in different styles. That's the sum total of my experience.

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  16. A couple of months ago, I used Chat GPT like you did. I was stuck on the logic behind a characters' choice so I could learn more about him. (The subconscious mind can be work in mysterious ways.) The AI gave me more ideas, but not The Idea.

    Likewise, one thing I love about your Chat GPT experiment was how the final book in your list really captured my attention because of its emotional resonance. That title did not come from Chat GPT. It came from you.

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  17. No writers or actors here, but son #3 is a 3-D artist in Vancouver. He deals with the film industry (he did a lot in Midway) all down the Pacific coast and has been spinning in his chair since early spring, because of the slow down and now strike. Luckily, he has been too important to the start-up when it happens to be laid off, but not so for a lot of the people in the industry and his office. This strike, of course, trickles down to so many people, not just those directly affected, but also hotels, food, cleaners – all in the encompassing parts of the industry.
    I think AI is quite scary. There was an ad went by yesterday morning on the telly, showing Morgan Freeman, saying this is not me that you are seeing, and not me that you are hearing but all AI. If they can do this with a real person to make him look so authentic, how soon until Tristan’s job will also be affected as AI draws all the sets/characters?
    It will be like our food – how do we know what is real and what isn’t?

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    1. So many good questions Margo! It's probably not as easy a solution as for food--what comes out of the ground is real in that case.

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  18. I am so excited for Key West #13. And to know #14 will be published soon.
    Lucy, when will #14 be available to purchase?

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    1. thanks so much! #14 will probably be August 2024, but I haven't gotten that date written in stone.

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    2. happy there is a 14 - but it's a long wait!! lol!
      I'll probably finish #13 out in a couple of weeks in a day or two.

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  19. I admit that the concept of AI, while interesting, is also very scary. It must be even more so for writers. I'm thinking now that all of Madison Avenue will no longer need any people to come up with catch songs and jingles. Maybe that is what has happened with a commercial that plays several times during my local news broadcast. It's for a roofing company and it's tagline is blah, blah "every shingle time!" Makes my want to throw the TV and everything else! I hate the thought that an actual person came up with that. Although it must have been an actual person who approved it.

    Looking forward to reading your latest armload of books, Lucy!

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    1. Thanks Judi. I bet that every shingle time was amusing the first time you heard it...there's an interesting article in the NY Times' business section today about advertising and AI.

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  20. Hmmm, those Chat AI toxic love titles are pretty good. So, maybe it is useful for brainstorming?
    But of course we don't want technology to replace human writers!

    The deepfake videos that I am seeing online are scary, though.

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  21. From Celia: Many thanks Roberta and such a lot of interesting comments. I particularly like Coralee’s initiative and fascinating AI response. But am I correct in thinking that we have all been exposed to AI for quite a time though nothing as sophisticated as Bard, when we pick up the phone and dial the bank, insurance, drs office a myriad of places. Admittedly very simplistic compared to what you found but not a live person. I think the Writers Guild and other professional bodies are right to be concerned. I never followed the argument closely but the unique work a writer offers is their product and their income. But I was thinking of recording artists when, I think it was Pandora and Spotify? First came on the market and paid so little or nothing in royalties. If I’m incorrect I apologize in advance. However I do wish I could come to your Ct launch and enjoy cake too but it’s a bit of a haul from here. Lastly Congratulations to Hallie, Milton’s Writer in Residence. Perhaps this is something to give us hope that live has value that AI can’t offer or am I being Pollyanna?

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    1. No, I love your perspective Celia! We have to be watchful for sure, but not completely pessimistic. I will be interested to see what happens with publishing contracts--they may want rights to an author's work so they can train AI to produce more books just like that. But none of that should happen without the creatives being paid.

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  22. Every time some new technology comes out to "help" people, I think of the movie, Wall-E. It's so easy to let the tech do everything for us.

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    1. It is easy, and I admit to being late to considering the ramifications!

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  23. Utterly fascinating and somehow reassuring — thx Lucy!!

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  24. AI reminded me of that movie about a character created by AI? I think Hayley Joel Osmet ??? (he was also in Seeing Dead People with Bruce Willis) played the AI character?

    Know very little about AI though I have been hearing more about how AI is affecting the writing community.

    Diana

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    1. I must not have seen those movies Diana, not ringing a bell. It's amazing how suddenly we are hearing about this everywhere.

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  25. I don't think writers should use generative AI at any point for any reason. The writers whose work was used to train the program did not give consent and were not compensated. Sounds like theft. Why be complicit in that theft by using the program?

    It seems to me there are two main elements to a work of fiction -- the ideas (from characters, to plot, to setting, to all the details that add texture to a scene) and the prose. Both should come directly from the author.

    If a writer uses AI to generate ideas, than they are using the work of other writers to help them to produce something (a novel) that competes with those other writers in the marketplace. If a writer wants to be part of the community and the marketplace, I'd like to see them use their own ideas.

    Visual artists are facing the same problem. They upload digital images to their websites to generate sales. That data was stolen to train AI. Now anyone can plug prompts into art programs to produce prints similar to a given artist/s -- and compete with them for sales or avoid paying them for original work. There is now a site (don't recall the name) for visual artists to upload their images and the digital signature can't be accessed by AI programs. Their work is safe there.

    As a reader I may find myself looking for the kind of message Edith is including in her books. Some assurance that I, by purchasing the book, am supporting a real artist, and am not supporting the use of generative AI.

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    1. I certainly see your point about not using any creation that has been stolen. But I do want to push back on the idea that everything has to come from inside the writer, with no outside influence. That made me think of the times I've brainstormed with my writers' group or with our colleague Jessie Crockett. Their ideas may spark a different plot twist or character, but always the take on it is mine in the end. (Unless we are plagiarizing...a different story.)

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    2. Oh absolutely. Inspiration comes from many places. I lurk on the SinC Guppies group and have seen writers ask others for information on titles, poisons, allergens, or just today, ways to summon a ghost. But they are Asking. Their fellow authors have the option of not giving ideas. The authors whose work was used to create AI were not given that option.

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  26. No personal brushes with AI yet. It's both exciting and scary. I can only hope legislators get out in front of this technology a bit faster than they have in the past to make sure the rights of creators - not just writers, all creators - are protected.

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    1. Absolutely agree, the creators need to be protected and paid and acknowledged!

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    2. Current Intellectual Property Law in the USA is fifty years behind. The EU is better but not much. Government representatives for the most part do not understand complex technology. You cannot depend on the government to monitor AI. It is already being used by the criminal element in many ventures, one of the scariest is manipulation of the stock market.

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  27. Roberta, as you mentioned, AI can be a powerful tool, but like any tool, it has the potential to be misused. While AI can assist in various creative tasks, as it will sometimes respond, it’s not human and lacks emotion. It might be great for writing a technical manual. But I don’t see it replacing creative writers because the reason why most of us read is to appreciate the emotions, perspectives and creativity that come from other humans. Time will tell.

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  28. Fascinating! Thanks for sharing your research, Roberta.

    I'm glad AI didn't produce results that are as good as human writing, but I'm seriously worried it will just be a matter of time.

    However, I have read that no artificial intelligence can equal the sum total of a human's emotional life. It's comforting to know that AI will not have had hearts that were broken or uplifted or hardened, all of which inspires human writing so deeply.

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  29. I haven't used AI, and the few pieces of writing that I've seen people try to do with it aren't good at all and don't even make sense. I imagine the technology will improve in the future but at the moment I don't see the point in using it. If a writer does use AI to produce their work I'd like to see a disclaimer stating that up front. Then let the reader decide whether or not to continue. As far as payment and regulations, as with any new advances there's going to be gray area, enforcement issues, there's not going to be a clear solution overnight. It will be interesting to see how things do proceed.

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  30. Clare: I have been using ChatGPT to help refine my historical research. I like that I can ask follow up questions. For instance - if I ask the wages of a dispensary doctor in 1909 it will give me a range that is not helpful. But I can ask “If you were writing a novel what would be a logical
    amount for a dispensary doctor to make in 1909” and follow up with- what would that be in todays dollars? I don’t count on the answers being 100% correct or ask it to write for me but it provides a good starting place. It is more of a conversation than a google srarch. I think writers should be compensated if their works are used to train AI and I would never try to pass off AI writing as mine.

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  31. It is SO complicated! SO complicated! Because if I ask YOU for advice or help, and you give it, that's okay. I'll analyze and consider and go on my way. But it's not okay to ask a machine? I agree, it feels completely different, and very wrong, but..is it? I do think it's crucially important that we have clauses in our contracts that prohibit AI voices in our audio books--and I have requested that in my upcoming contract--our valued and beloved reader/actors who voice those audio books are in terrible danger of being replaced.
    There was a marvelous and eye-opening story on 60 Minutes about this a few weeks ago, astonishing--you will not believe what Bard wrote! (tTalk about human emotion--it's all there. They had Bard write a story and a poem based on "for sale, baby shoes, never used." It took like two seconds. And was amazing.)
    And the head of Bard was asked what careers would have the most negative impact from AI, and the number ones group was: writers. (Then architects, and the sonographers and technicians who read x-rays and ultrasounds.)

    And I think the current lawsuits that want to prohibit the access to the information in the first place might be an answer. We shall see.

    (And Lucy,I think those titles are awful, FWIW. :-) But maybe I'm undereducated in that kind of writing.)

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  32. Ever since I was introduced to Hal I have been leery of AI.

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  33. Fascinating, Lucy. It's going to be interesting to see the ramifications of AI. I was just talking with my photographer friend in London about how it's affecting his graphic design work--he said he's finding it very useful. As I can see it being very useful as a research tool for writers.

    Love the excerpt from the book!

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  34. So interesting. I have not tapped AI as yet, but I can see where it would be a tool and a concern. It will be interesting to watch its evolution because there really in no way to put the genie back into the bottle.

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  35. Kim: I agree, Jenn. History shows us that tools liked these are here to stay, just like email, television, recorded music, and so on. Considering how often I use Google to look up what I need for my writing,from a street name to a historical fact, and what a godsend and timesaver I find it, I don't feel inclined to worry about chatbots. I'm sure we'll need new legislation setting parameters for their use and we'll need them soon, but I'm looking forward to learning how to use a new research tool. Plus: Yay, Hallie!

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    1. I find it hard to imagine these days how I wrote anything pre-Google and pre-Wiki.

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  36. No brushes with AI yet, but I'm sure it's going to happen sooner or later. It's a very interesting and scary concept. It'll be fascinating to see where it goes.

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  37. No experience with AI on my part. It is interesting but I am wary about anything new. I tend to take a wait and see attitude.

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  38. I am unaware of any brushes with AI, but would not be surprised to learn there have been some. From all I have heard and read it seems pretty ingrained already. I would hate to think any writers are negatively impacted to the point of grief bing writing up as a career. makennedyinaz at hotmail dot com

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