Monday, November 6, 2023

What we're writing: Hallie starts with Mother's advice...

HALLIE EPHRON: As most of you know, I'm starting a year as my town (Milton, MA) public library's "Writer in Residence," and so far I am enoying myself thoroughly. I gave a talk introducing myself, and a few nights ago I got to introduce and lob questions at Pulitzer-winning author Geraldine Brooks to a full auditorium. She gave a fascinating talk about her new book, HORSE, which I heartily recommend.

Here's the publisher's description
A discarded painting in a junk pile, a skeleton in an attic, and the greatest racehorse in American history: from these strands, she braids a sweeping story of art and science, love and obsession, the human-animal bond, the legacy of enslavement and our unfinished reckoning with racism

To prepare, I read the book, of course. Then I listened to Geraldine Brooks talking about HORSE. She begins: "I have always loved horses..."

Irresistible, right?

Of course introducing an author of Brooks's stature is... daunting. Not so daunting, mind you, that it left me tongue tied. Just prop me up in front of a group of people and my ON button engages immediately.

But back to me... My "residency" has kickstarted a writing project to pull together the plethora (love that word... and how often do you get to use it?) personal essays I've written since the beginning. I'm test driving my axiom: "Today's crap is tomorrow's compost."

Not surprisingly, I've found my mother comes up over and over in my written words. Here's a picture of the two of us at my high school graduation.


And here's a start to what I envision as an introduction to... me.


I come from a family of writers, but for the longest time, I insisted I was the one who didn’t write.

When I told my mother that I wanted to be a teacher, she was horrified. She was a screenwriter at a time when it was a rare woman who worked as anything but a secretary in the movie business—which was what she’d been when my parents first married. My dad was a Broadway stage manager who dreamed of being a playwright.

When my mother had gotten pregnant with my sister Nora and had to quit her job, my dad convinced her to collaborate with him on a play. Three is a Family was about a young couple and their baby who have to move into her parents’ apartment which becomes crowded with other quirky relatives. A wartime farce, it debuted on Broadway in 1943 and ran for nearly 500 performances.

I can only imagine how thrilling it must have been to have their play produced. There they were, barely into their thirties, backstage at the Longacre Theatre being congratulated by Eleanor Roosevelt. 

Then Hollywood came calling, and my parents career as a husband-and-wife screenwriting team was launched.

They wrote the screenplay for the slightly renamed 3 IS A FAMILY, sharing the credit with a more experienced screenwriter, Harry Chandlee. They went on to write at least 17 movies and two more Broadway plays.

They co-authored scripts with my father pacing the room, acting out all the parts, as my mother took shorthand. Then he’d go to the tennis club while she stayed home and turned her notes into a script, typing an original and two copysets.

For all my mother’s forward thinking and her success in a male dominated profession, she urged me to learn to touch type and take shorthand (“Because you never know when you’ll have to fall back on it.”) So I did. And used it occasionally during summer jobs as an office temp.

But my wanting to be a teacher was a bridge too far. She made me promise that, when I got college, I would not take any education courses. Save that for graduate school, she counseled--hoping, I’m sure, that by then I’d have come to my senses.

I did not.


So today's burning question: Did you ever receive advice that you followed (or decided NOT to follow), and how did that work out for you?

58 comments:

  1. Most of the time, any advice I received was of the “you should do what you want to do” variety. However, a co-worker advised me not to give up my job and move across the country. Certain I was doing the right thing, I ignored the advice, quit my job, moved across the country, and met the man I would one day marry. Best move ever . . .

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That was a HUVE move to make - glad it worked out for you. Spectacularly!

      Delete
  2. My mother was an "almost was" opera singer. I won't say "failed" because she had a beautiful voice and never gave up her dream, though she never succeeded in it, either, being a single mom raising two kids. So she fastened her dreams on me and wanted me to be an opera singer. I actually had a nice little voice, but it takes a heck of a lot more than that, most especially a burning desire, which I did not have.

    When I left home and went to stay with relatives, I was still sorting out what I wanted to do with my life, and I settled on "teacher," which was a good fit. After getting clerical skills (read that as reliable if not very high income) so I could put myself through school, I did become a teacher. I loved that profession! (And I would have made such a poor opera singer, trust me. No temprament for it at all.)

    The only other thing that "grabbed" me was writing, but I also wanted a stable income, and I knew I would write anyway and could write full time after retirement. And all of that came to pass, I'm happy to say, along with meeting the love of my life. (In one more month we have our 50th wedding anniversary.)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. There are huge odds for pursuing a writing career, but it's dwarfed by the odds of becoming an opera singer. It takes HUGE talent and luck and and and... I opted for the stable home, etc., too.

      Delete
    2. What a great story Elizabeth and many congrats to you and your hubby!

      Delete
    3. Thanks for the kind wishes. And Hallie, you are so right. It takes sooo many factors to make it as an opera singer. One great gift I got from the exposure, though, is that I love opera (as a listener, not a performer.)

      Delete
  3. I'm so happy you're doing this project, Hallie, and that you won the honor of the residency. My parents required that we kids take typing in high school, and I'm grateful for that. I'm also grateful for them not balking at my older sister hying off to Germany as an exchange student for a year or me doing same to Brazil - those experiences changed our lives for the better.

    This was a dire caution, not advice, but when my Hugh realized I was serious about writing a novel, he said, "You know, it's really hard to get published." My reply? "It is, but somebody's going to get published, and it might as well be me." I ignored that caution and am glad I did.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Edith, yes it might as well be you...thank goodness for that.

      Hallie, so say we all!

      Delete
  4. Your W-I-R program sounds great! Our book group just read March, and will discuss it today. What a fabulous book!
    Mom suggested, only 1/2 joking, that my twin and I should be plumbers. We didn’t follow her advice!

    ReplyDelete
  5. Ooh, anyone's advice or my mother's advice? (grin).

    My mother and I have many tastes in common (food, books, travel, perfume even), but not when it comes to careers! She loves science, worked as a nurse and always found that fascinating and rewarding. She accepted early on that wasn't for me, but somehow she got it in her head that I should learn Arabic, French, or Japanese and be an international businesswoman, jetting off to exotic places. Also that I would play the harp, b/c that seemed glamorous to her. More than one person has said when I tell them that, 'has your mother met you?' ;-) I think maybe she got the idea from Falcon's Crest or Knot's Landing. It was the 80s after all. It sounds very Joan Collins.

    I could not be more different that "Business Barbie" as I call the daughter that lives only in my mom's head. ;-) I would wear the same yoga pants and T-shirt every day if I could. I learned Spanish in school, am learning Italian now and adore both not for any other reason than they sound beautiful to me and I love the cultures I learn about. I would get eaten alive in dog eat dog business environment. I worked as a secretary in the business world for a few years and I always got the same type of job reviews 'you're sweet and bright. We can tell that you're trying, but you obviously don't belong here!' And I have zero knack for instruments at all, but I love to bake. (something my mom avoids like the plague. She loves to cook, hates to bake. I'm the opposite).

    She's given good life advice on other things - 'Get your driver's license even if you don't want to.' 'Babies are people, not dollies to play with.' 'Sex is just sex. It's very nice and all, but it's not going to save the world so don't make it a bigger deal than it is.' (Yes, she can be very frank!) But the career stuff I've had to figure out on my own.

    Oh, and I'm not sure if anyone told me I should learn typing, I think it may have been required at my school? I'm very glad I did. I'll never win any speed contests, but at least I don't have to hunt and peck.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Jill, there is so much heartache caused by other people trying to pound square people into round people shapes, isn't there?

      Delete
    2. Love your mother's "good life advice," Jill. Yes, typing is still a skill I'm grateful to have mastered. Use it every single day.

      Delete
    3. "Sex won't save the world" - Now there's a T-shirt slogan. We should all be glad it won't save the world otherwise the adult film industry would be the biggest heroes in all the world. :D

      Delete
  6. Mignonne from ArkansasNovember 6, 2023 at 6:43 AM

    I am the opposite of you—my mom was a teacher and her parents were teachers. No way would I be a teacher! I got a journalism degree which I loved, but I didn’t want to live in a big city and wasn’t confident enough to be a reporter. After a low paying job as a production artist for a grocery store co-op and a broken heart, my mom and dad talked to me about going back to college. My mom said, “You can be a teacher. It’s not that hard.” My dad said, “And you’d have your summers off. You could travel.” So here I am, 37 years later, a teacher!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Oh gosh, I hope it's a good career for you, Mignonne.

      Delete
  7. Hallie, thanks for the video of Geraldine Brooks. I have not yet read Horse, but now I think I must. I'm also in the "I have always loved horses" club, even though I didn't climb onto the first one until age 55. There is something almost holy about the communication between horse and rider, and the peace it used to give me to ride for an hour or two. I will always be glad I took that first lesson.

    Advice I wish I'd taken: not to marry my first husband, for a variety of reasons. My mother could see him so much more clearly than I did, and she was so, so right. Even on the morning of our wedding day she said it wasn't too late. However, I learned a lot from the experience, especially about myself, and I ended up with my very dear oldest daughter. I cannot imagine not having her in my life these last, nearly 53 years.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Let's hear it for mistakes! There's a lot to be learned from them. AND ending up with a daughter in the bargain is definitely a consolation prize.

      Delete
  8. My parents always silently supported us in our choices. Being the oldest, I was the first off to university (at 16), but I was told to enroll for an Arts degree. I wanted Science, as those were the subjects that I was good in, and I always thought I wanted to be a doctor. My father strongly suggested no. So, I made a deal – if I did well (or at least passed) in first year Arts, I could shift over to Science. Luckily most of the first-year subjects were universal – you had to have an English, another language, and then you were on your own. I took first year – passed (it was a 50 in calculus- blech!), and that allowed me to change faculties. It also meant that I was one science credit short, so I spent that summer away from home to catch up on Physics – that was great fun. I ended up graduating in the usual 3 years, and was the first female to join a collection of male BSc’s in our family. I never became a doctor – it turns out I puke at puke, even the thought of heaving – but it opened my life to a lot of just as interesting or more interesting things in life. I do regret that I was only 1 of 5 who wanted Botany of trees that year so it was cancelled, but it has been interesting learning about it for the rest of my life.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. "I puke at puke," HA HA HA! Yes, definitely a drawback if you want to become an MD or an RN or a PA. I was always good in math and in science were logic as opposed to memory ruled (chemistry not biology).

      Delete
  9. My father taught me that thinking about my life in 5-year chunks could be a useful way to map out a productive path through the years. And it worked for me: I would think, hmmmm, do I want to be doing this newsletter-writing job in five years? NO!! So I changed jobs and moved along. It wasn't exactly science, but that 5-year view helped put things in perspective and clarify when it was time to earn another credential or find a different employer.

    I guess the one life-changing piece of advice I got came from my friend Lawrence, who suggested I apply for a summer backfill teaching contract at the local college. It took some persuading (What? Me? Teach? I can't teach!), but I applied, got that contract and stuck around until I landed a full-time job. I discovered that I loved teaching and was good at it. I found this work at the end of my career, and I'm so glad I did. It was the most creative work I ever did.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Life s full of opportunities if you're open to them! And thinking in 5-year chunks is a great approach. Wasn't there a book about human development that treated life that way?

      Delete
  10. Scenario: Equipped with a liberal arts degree, three screaming kids, and no child care in the area, my mother blithely asked, "When I you going to stop fooling around and do something with your writing?" Thanks Mom, I'll put that on the list after the youngest finishes college. And I did.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I waited until my youngest ENROLLED i college, leaving my daughter's playroom empty so I could move my writing stuff into it.

      Delete
  11. You know you had me at "horses." ;) I'm glad you're enjoying your residency. You're perfect for it.

    HORSE is a fascinating book. There's a blue figurine on my desk of Lexington, based on one of the paintings. (He's blue because Lexington is also home to the University of Kentucky.) I'd won the little figurine of Blue Lexington in a social media contest for the Lexington, KY, tourist bureau.

    One of our cats knocked him off the desk and broke off his ear. He also has a secondary, private name from me -- like real life horses can have a registered name and a "barn name"--Safety Car, after a one-eared racehorse character from a Jilly Cooper novel. If you know, you know. :)

    ReplyDelete
  12. What a great project, Hallie.

    My grandmother and aunt loved to start sentences with "You should..." My mother counseled me to smile, nod, and then do what I wanted. LOL

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That's pretty good advice. Though I confess, I get SO annoyed when a stranger tells me to "Smile." Grrr.

      Delete
    2. Instead of smile as in grin & bear it, I prefer Stiff Upper Lip.

      Delete
    3. Oh, I totally understand. I don't love it when strangers tell me that. But this was my mother. She knew her mother and sister. Smiling was best, believe me. LOL "I'll think it over. Thanks." That was the standard response.

      Delete
    4. Another good response “That is interesting.” The older I get, the more I use it. Elisabeth

      Delete
  13. Great post, Hallie. I am delighted that you're enjoying your writer-in-residence gig. My parents always said, "Have a plan B." I took their advice and hence my career as a librarian. Advice I didn't take was "don't quit your day job". When the opportunity came to be a full time writer, I jumped. No regrets.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Hallie, you once gave me the best writing advice: Never permanently delete anything! I can't wait to read the gold that you mine from your old manuscripts. When it comes to typing, I miss the satisfying click clack of old typewriters, but not wrestling with correction tape or white out.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Kate, I love the click/clack of the old Underwood typewriters, but it was difficult to erase a mistake and realign. The Selectric (I think it was called) was state of the art when I first worked in an office as a sec'y. Now the computer of course, makes typing a breeze.

      Delete
    2. There is on some software the “click clack”’noise. But no bell or carriage return. Sigh. Elisabeth

      Delete
  15. I wanted to go to college to be a psychologist but my mother thought they were generally crazy people which of course isn't true. (She worked for a psychiatrist and he was apparently crazy.) So I didn't go that route.
    Then I (for some strange reason) wanted to work in the food industry starting as a waitress. But my husband was horrified and wanted me to be a teacher, which would provide a good salary, summers off, and more prestige. So I went to college to get a teaching credential. Half way through I realized I was very talented in art history and was asked by my professor to work with her teaching her graduate students. I had to say no as we were leaving for the summer on a planned trip. I did become a teacher and I did enjoy it but didn't love it. I wish more people would understand the need to follow what they want to do and ignore the naysayers.
    I have watched Finding Your Roots by Henry Louis Gates on PBS and one thing that stands out is those who are highly successful in the arts, theatre, writing, science, etc where almost always supported by their parents even if they had wished something else for their child.

    ReplyDelete
  16. Hallie, your W-I-R has started off brilliantly and will only get better from here! Can't wait to see what you've wrought after your year has ended!

    Best piece of advice came from the formidable grand dame of the Ohio State anthropology department, Dr. Erika Bourguignon: "Go get your hands dirty!" Applicable advice in many circumstances. It led me into a career in archaeology (really playing in the dirt) and taught me to go for it when I wanted to try my hand at anything new.

    ReplyDelete
  17. I am one to hesitate to do something new or different. Although I am first to follow someone who suggests we do something new, wild or crazy! I just never take the initiative. My sister and brother are both the type to throw caution to the wind and do what strikes them to good results.
    My brother met another "surfer dude" while on the North Shore of Oahu (the surfer's mecca in the '70's) and said surfer dude asked him if he wanted to move to Australia to have a distributorship for a suntan lotion company he was starting (he was from I believe Florida). He left on the next plane (to my mother's great dismay as she wanted him to move back home to Southern CA) to start work for what became Hawaiian Tropic and made a good deal of money and still lives in Oz and raised his daughter there.
    My sister was on spring break with her two girlfriends in Honolulu when she met a local Hawaiian at a disco (yes the 70's still) and with two months to go before she graduated from college in Oregon, asked her roommates when then returned to school to ship her stuff to her in Hawaii as she was in love with the guy she met at the disco. Again my parents were furious!
    But, she & her disco boyfriend have two daughters, two grandchildren, and highly successful business and have been married almost 43 years.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Great post today Hallie! I'm sure that your time as W-I-R will be both productive and a success.

    As for the question about advice given and taken or not, I wasn't given any specific advice but (and I might've written about this on the blog before) when I was a kid playing in the local youth basketball league I would run around telling all the coaches that I was going to coach in the league when I got older. Most coaches dismissed me. It was easy to do, it wasn't like I was much of a player. But Tony Dias, who was at the time the coach of the best team in the league, simply said for me to go for it. I spent two seasons as an assistant while I was in high school and when I turned 18, I got my first head coaching slot. I spent 25 years coaching boys and girls teams. And for a few seasons I got to coach with Tony whether we were assistants working with another coach or when it was just him and I. All because he was the one coach who didn't dismiss my coaching aspirations out of hand when I was a kid.

    As for what I'm writing TODAY, I'm beginning work on a review of the Johnny O'Neil CD 'Brand New Day'. It's more of a straightforward rock and roll album than hard rock or heavy metal but still pretty decent thus far.

    ReplyDelete
  19. Law school. I’d come to a crossroads career-wise when my aunt, a very successful attorney, suggested it. I applied and was accepted. But I realized I didn’t really want to go. Thank goodness a different opportunity arose before the tuition deadline. Never looked back.

    ReplyDelete
  20. I just love your story, Hallie. You have a fascinating family with equally impressive memories. On a (much) smaller note, my dad was a journalist, so I began writing family memoirs. He also made up fantastical bedtime stories (complete with sound effects) that probably inspired my love of writing time travel, fantasy, and mysteries.

    Thanks, so much for sharing!

    ReplyDelete
  21. Good for you, Hallie! I know you'll find your old essays as interesting as we will when we get to read them. I also got the learn how to type advice, but it was aimed at being able to type college papers. I also had a brief run at learning Gregg stenography in college, but I had to drop it. Just couldn't do it.
    I ran into a friend on the college campus. She had just changed majors from pharmacy to accounting. She had threatened to do so if she failed organic chemistry one more time. She did and now she was studying accounting, which she proclaimed was so much easier. Well, I was in a state at the time, majoring in anthropology but not knowing how to make a living at it. I made the switch too, for various reasons, and found I had a knack for it. It wasn't the career of my heart, but it worked for me for years.

    ReplyDelete
  22. Hallie, we all want more of your stories as you move through your WIR year. What a great beginning! As for bad advice, this is kind of funny: the background is that I was not challenged by much except math in my all American, rah-rah early-60s high school. My high school offered "Personal Use Typing" for students headed to college, and of course It was on my schedule for senior year. I had also talked my way into the band, so I would lose one daily study hall to band practice. The guidance office said I needed to drop typing because it would be too much extra pressure! So off I went to college...and later, to writing.. with with minimal typing skills. Writing papers, i had to allow an extra day just to type them! Later I wrote book first drafts by hand, in notebooks, for years before I was comfortable enough to compose on a keyboard. Does that qualify as really bad advice?

    ReplyDelete
  23. Know what? If I spotted young Hallie in the street, I would recognize you instantly. You look the same :)

    Advice. Hum, I was born in the early 50s and my parents were already in their 30s. Mindsets for that generation were very different. I had candy stripped at a local tiny hospital and they'd taught us a lot of things that would drive a stake through the hearts of modern lawyers. In an emergency, everybody pitched in. And we were trained. I was fascinated. I loved it. I wanted to go to school to be a trauma surgeon. I received a full-ride scholarship to Cornell for pre-med. No guarantees of med school of course. Children were chattel in those days. My parents flat-out refused to let me accept the scholarship. These days I'm still the go to first aider, but I had no interest in nursing, so I attended University of Miami, took three majors, and graduated with no marketable skills. It all worked out. I have no complaints or regrets, and I'm happy with where I am and how I got her.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Not all parents treated their daughters that way. I was born in the late fifties and was encouraged to pursue any profession that fit my interests and abilities. As an undergraduate I was undecided between medical or law school. I ultimately chose law school. Undergraduate degree was engineering / computer science. My parents were from the rural Midwest, but I was born and raised in California. My parents were college educated, maybe that changed their attitudes.
      The world was deprived of a gifted woman doctor, that is sad!

      Delete
  24. What a great beginning, Hallie! I'm so looking forward to more of your essays. And such a great topic,. When I was in high school my mom, who was a good touch typist, typed all my papers for me. When I wanted to transfer to a good four year college my sophmore year, my parents made me a deal--I had to go to secretarial school first so that I would have marketable skills. It turned out to be great advice, just not in the way they thought! Or maybe my mom was just tired of typing my papers...

    ReplyDelete
  25. I'm so glad you're enjoying your Writer in Residence role, Hallie, and how great to get to talk to Geraldine Brooks. I haven't read Horse, but I devoured her People of the Book.

    A mistake my parents made--it wasn't bad advice; it was a laying down of the law--was not letting me take a gap year or two before I arrived at college as a 16-year-old freshman. I begged them to let me work at a job or travel or do ANYTHING so I wouldn't have to be so much younger than my classmates, but in those days, when you finished high school, you went to college--and my parents were paying for most of it, so off I went. I survived and even eventually thrived there, but I think my college experience would have been much better if I had been older. I had forgiven my parents by my sophomore year, but I still think they were wrong. Needless to say, my husband and I let our son do a gap year between high school and college!

    ReplyDelete
  26. My mother really valued education. I think if she had had the means to do so, she would have gotten a Masters and beyond. But, my mother needed to work as soon as possible to support herself and her mother. She did manage to go to undergraduate and get her teaching certificate. She taught elementary school, 3rd grade, for almost 20 years before I was born. Then she started having children (she got married later in life for that time, had her first child at 33 and her last child, me, at 43). I did get to experience her teaching though, as she taught private kindergarten (it wasn't in the schools then) in our basement the year I went. So, she valued reading and education, which influenced my whole life. Now, the only advice she gave me that I didn't take was that she thought I should change from an English major with a secondary teaching certificate to elementary education. I thought about it, but I'm so glad I didn't now. She didn't live long enough to see me earn my Masters in Library Science, as I didn't do that until my late 40s. But, she was always proud of my academic accomplishments, and as I said, she valued reading and learning, which made me who I am or was.

    Hallie, I love Geraldine Brooks' books, but I can't believe I haven't read Horse yet. Now, it will be a while before I do that. I do have a wonderful connection to report of one of our own to Geraldine. The Dr. Tony Ryan Book Award is awarded each fall to honor the best in long-form writing related to horse racing. The award ceremony takes place right here in my state of Kentucky, where horse racing rules, in Lexington. It comes with a nice monetary award, too. Last year's winner was Annette Dashofy for Death by Equine. Geraldine Brooks and Horse is one of the three finalists for this year's award, which will be announced Nov. 9th. I think Annette is one of the judges. Right, Annette?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That's right, Kathy. The finalists are all amazing.

      Delete
  27. I will say I have not followed my mom's advice regarding romance. I will also say I will most certainly follow her romantic advice from now on! Moms just know. aprilbluetx at yahoo dot com

    ReplyDelete
  28. SO late! My mother told me never to wear lavender or cobalt blue, and there you have it. SO happy you're enjoying you new gig, Hallie!

    ReplyDelete
  29. When I was 12, my grandmother said I should go to law school. I got a degree in broadcasting instead. So there I was in my Daly City studio apartment working in a cassette factory, watching Maria Shriver (my exact age) delivering nightly news on a network and I thought: law school. Hmmm.

    ReplyDelete
  30. I missed yesterday, but had to add in, because my mother gave me the exact opposite advice - she said to never take touch typing or shorthand classes because then I would wind up doing secretarial work, no matter what job I had applied for. This made a kind of sense in the late seventies, when every business and organization needed multiple women constantly typing, typing, typing.

    Unfortunately, a decade later when computers moved in, I was stuck with bad two finger typing habits. That's STILL how I write everything, and though I've gotten quite quick at it, I envy my kids' abilities to type while not looking at the computer at all. They, of course, were taught keyboarding from kindergarten on!

    ReplyDelete