HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: BREAKING NEWS #1. Tonight is the Reds and Readers Happy Hour! Make sure to join us on the Red and Readers page of Facebook at 5PM ET.
Yes, 5 PM ET. (It’s 7:00 somewhere we’re sure, but we’ll be live at five!) Info, scoop, gossip, news and PRIZES! So we will see you there. At FIVE.
And Breaking News #2. The winner of ALL THIS COULD BE YOURS is Margo! Margo, email me your address here. And I will send you the book! Crossing fingers you love it.
And thanks to Margo, I learned about Anna Russell, an opera singer extraordinaire who, à propos of our past two days’ conversations, perfectly explains Wagner’s The Ring of the Nibelung. Which we all need to know. It is life-changingly entertaining.
But don’t watch now. Because now—speaking of entertaining! One of the dearest friends of the Reds, Ellen Byron.
Her post today is hilarious, as usual, and wonderfully revealing—but also today, even touching. (oh, and whoo hoo, giveaway below!)
FREE TO BE… ME!
By Ellen Byron
When I go to mystery conventions, people often mention how enthusiastic and upbeat I am. This means a lot to me because it’s a one-eighty from how I had to present myself in my past career as a sitcom writer-producer, where at one point I sublimated my personality so much that I earned the joking nickname “Debbie Downer” on a show.
I came to my first television job from a background as a playwright and comedy improviser, the latter of which encouraged a broad personality.

I quickly learned this made me the butt of jokes. Most of the writers’ rooms I worked in skewed heavily male. They were usually comprised of me, my writing partner, one other woman writer and ten to twelve guys. Don’t get me wrong, I love the menfolk. But the male sense of humor is generally different from a woman’s, leaning more toward teasing and put-downs. I took the jokes good-naturedly, knowing being sensitive doomed your career. But my goal became tamping down any aspect of myself that might make me a target. My humor became darker. I learned to excel at comebacks. I love bright colors but stopped wearing them to avoid drawing visual attention to me. See how I don’t stand out in this group shot of the cast and crew from Still Standing? (BTW, In a telling irony of my television career, I became closer to some of the men I worked with than the women because we gals were always in competition for the few seats available to us at the table.)

I was still on guard when I first segued from TV to mysteries. I don’t think mystery folk I met in the early days of my segue would have complimented me on my sparkling personality! But as I realized how warm and welcoming our community is, I began to relax.
Gradually my cheerier, occasionally silly side re-emerged and I felt like I could finally be all of who I am —which now includes “Debbie Downer.” My mystery friends will tell you that I still throw off dark zingers and am always good for a comeback. But I’ve never been happier and more comfortable with who I am, evidenced by how I goofed around when I recently reconnected with actor friends Amy Yasbeck and Steven Weber from Wings, where I worked for three years.

Dee Stern, the protagonist of my Golden Motel Mystery series, is a former sitcom writer trying to make a new life for herself as the proprietor of a rustic retro motel in California’s Gold Country. Writing her allows me to channel so many of my own experiences working in television and feelings about it into the series.

Dee Stern, the protagonist of my Golden Motel Mystery series, is a former sitcom writer trying to make a new life for herself as the proprietor of a rustic retro motel in California’s Gold Country. Writing her allows me to channel so many of my own experiences working in television and feelings about it into the series.
In the first book, A VERY WOODSY MURDER, Dee has to contend with a writer she couldn’t stand suddenly showing up at the motel. In SOLID GOLD MURDER, my new release and the second book in the series, she’s conflicted about a project that might draw her back into “the business.”
If I were Dee, I’d feel conflicted too. I did love my former career. On every lot where I worked, from Paramount to Disney to Universal or Fox, I always took a moment to drink in the fact I was walking in the shadow of film and TV legends. But I’ve found my tribe in the mystery community. And I’ve found myself. I get to be… me!
Readers, have you ever had to adjust your personality to a workplace? Comment to be entered into a giveaway for a copy of A VERY WOODSY MURDER, Golden Motel Mystery #1.
HANK: Thank you, dear Ellen! Let me just say: every day. The other day on the plane there was a crying baby, and I thought—wouldn’t be hilarious if we grown-ups could just let go and do that? WAH!
How about you, Reds and readers?
And don’t forget, see you tonight at 5:00PM ET on The Reds and Readers Facebook page!
SOLID GOLD MURDER
If I were Dee, I’d feel conflicted too. I did love my former career. On every lot where I worked, from Paramount to Disney to Universal or Fox, I always took a moment to drink in the fact I was walking in the shadow of film and TV legends. But I’ve found my tribe in the mystery community. And I’ve found myself. I get to be… me!
Readers, have you ever had to adjust your personality to a workplace? Comment to be entered into a giveaway for a copy of A VERY WOODSY MURDER, Golden Motel Mystery #1.
HANK: Thank you, dear Ellen! Let me just say: every day. The other day on the plane there was a crying baby, and I thought—wouldn’t be hilarious if we grown-ups could just let go and do that? WAH!
How about you, Reds and readers?
And don’t forget, see you tonight at 5:00PM ET on The Reds and Readers Facebook page!
SOLID GOLD MURDER
Dee Stern’s Golden Motel promises a tranquil getaway for outdoor lovers in the scenic Californian village of Foundgold. But when Dee accidentally triggers a modern gold rush, she suddenly turns her peaceful retreat into a hotspot for mayhem and murder . . .
With the summer season looming, former Hollywood sitcom writer Dee Stern has one small goal—scrubbing her motel’s unflattering moniker as the “Murder Motel.” Dee and ex-husband-turned-business-partner Jeff Cornetta are excited to introduce a family-friendly panning activity complete with fool’s gold just in time for the peak tourist months. Except neither could have anticipated the discovery of a real gold nugget or the ensuing social media frenzy. In a flash, the viral sensation draws grizzled prospectors, wide-eyed adventurers, and trend-chasing thrill seekers to the abandoned mines scattered around the woods . . .
The instant popularity proves great for business, but it also attracts a group of out-of-touch Silicon Valley techies with dreams of striking it rich—again. Dee finds herself particularly annoyed by the insufferably smug Sylvan Burr, a retired CEO who sold his startup before age 30 and won’t let anyone forget it. But things take a sinister turn when Sylvan meets a grim fate at the bottom of a mineshaft, leaving Dee at the center of a deadly mystery that could end her days as a motelier. And while Sylvan had plenty of enemies, Dee suddenly faces adversaries rooting against her own success. Now, with her life and the future of the Golden Motel hanging by a thread, Dee must unearth a minefield of suspects and outwit a greedy killer before she finally digs herself too deep . . .
Buy Solid Gold Murder here!
Ellen Byron is a bestselling author, Anthony nominee, and recipient of multiple Agatha and Lefty awards for her Cajun Country Mysteries, Vintage Cookbook Mysteries, Catering Hall Mysteries (as Maria DiRico), and Golden Motel Mysteries. She is also an award-winning playwright and non-award-winning writer of TV hits like Wings, Just Shoot Me, and Fairly OddParents, but considers her most impressive achievement working as a cater-waiter for Martha Stewart. Sign up for her newsletter!
With the summer season looming, former Hollywood sitcom writer Dee Stern has one small goal—scrubbing her motel’s unflattering moniker as the “Murder Motel.” Dee and ex-husband-turned-business-partner Jeff Cornetta are excited to introduce a family-friendly panning activity complete with fool’s gold just in time for the peak tourist months. Except neither could have anticipated the discovery of a real gold nugget or the ensuing social media frenzy. In a flash, the viral sensation draws grizzled prospectors, wide-eyed adventurers, and trend-chasing thrill seekers to the abandoned mines scattered around the woods . . .
The instant popularity proves great for business, but it also attracts a group of out-of-touch Silicon Valley techies with dreams of striking it rich—again. Dee finds herself particularly annoyed by the insufferably smug Sylvan Burr, a retired CEO who sold his startup before age 30 and won’t let anyone forget it. But things take a sinister turn when Sylvan meets a grim fate at the bottom of a mineshaft, leaving Dee at the center of a deadly mystery that could end her days as a motelier. And while Sylvan had plenty of enemies, Dee suddenly faces adversaries rooting against her own success. Now, with her life and the future of the Golden Motel hanging by a thread, Dee must unearth a minefield of suspects and outwit a greedy killer before she finally digs herself too deep . . .
Buy Solid Gold Murder here!
Ellen Byron is a bestselling author, Anthony nominee, and recipient of multiple Agatha and Lefty awards for her Cajun Country Mysteries, Vintage Cookbook Mysteries, Catering Hall Mysteries (as Maria DiRico), and Golden Motel Mysteries. She is also an award-winning playwright and non-award-winning writer of TV hits like Wings, Just Shoot Me, and Fairly OddParents, but considers her most impressive achievement working as a cater-waiter for Martha Stewart. Sign up for her newsletter!
Congratulations, Ellen, on your newest book . . . it sounds as if Dee has ended up in a really difficult situation!
ReplyDeleteAlthough I've never found myself in such a position, it seems particularly sad to me that workplaces often require people to "hide" themselves or make themselves into someone other than their true selves . . . .
When I worked in Washington DC on Capitol Hill, the phrase was “go along to get along.”
DeleteHi all! Tuning in from L.A. Sorry about the 3-hour time diff. And yes, I agree. Hank - that phrase sums up my TV career.
DeleteI remember going to some management training, 360-degree review thing in the early 2000s. They plotted your natural personality and your adjusted work personality on a chart, then told us the farther apart they were, the more internal conflict we had. Friends, my two dots could not have been farther apart.
ReplyDeleteAnd maybe that’s a good thing? :-)
DeleteYikes! That's a little scary. I hope you got a different job, Lisa!
DeleteAs I got older, I had a harder time controlling my sense of humor at work. I wasn’t inappropriate, but as an elementary school librarian, I liked to joke with the kids. I think the kids seemed to like that I wasn’t a stuffy “shushing” librarian, but I had some teachers give me the side eye.
ReplyDeleteEllen, I am currently reading A Very Woodsy Murder so please don’t consider me for the giveaway. Thanks and I hope to see you at Bouchercon! — Pat S
The Shushing Librarian sounds like a great title!
DeleteAnd everyone loves a fun librarian…
Pat, thank you! I'll see you there. And yay for you joking with the kids!
DeleteELLEN: Yes, you were quieter when we met in 2016, even during your first book launch at NOLA Bouchercon! I am glad to have seen your cheerier, fun side at more recent meetups at LCC & Bouchercon.
ReplyDeleteAs for work, I showed my more quirky, eccentric self when I worked in Toronto & Burlington with other weird climate change colleagues. We were like a close family. But I did act more reserved during my temporary stints in Ottawa. Again like you, it was partly because I was one of the few professional women in a division of 30-40 men. They were all very serious meteorologists, water resource engineers & technicians.
DON"T enter me in the giveaway. I got a copy of A VERY WOODSY MURDER from you at Nashville Bouchercon. And I was happy to see SOLID GOOD MURDER appear in my Kindle library on Tuesday.
With your weird climate change colleagues :-) that sounds wonderful!
DeleteYay!! Thank you so much, Grace. And I'm glad you noticed my evolution. :-)
DeleteCongratulations on your new release, Ellen. This post is so you. And yes, I've had to not be authentic when I first started working in the corporate world. There were protocols one had to adhere to in order for future promotions. Once I was established in that world, the real me slowly showed them who I was and my uniqueness was finally embraced.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to add - don't enter me in the contest.
DeleteAnd that’s when they discovered you are a treasure!
DeleteWhat Hank said!!! xoxoxo
DeleteWell, I volunteered to be “block captain” for my street here which was supposed to be the person who communicates to the others which house is hosting the Friday driveway party. Somehow that has morphed into resurrecting “dorm floor social chairman” me as I keep getting roped into planning a monthly event for our whole neighborhood. So instead of tamping down a part of my personality I’ve had to ramp it way up.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of which, I won’t be joining you for the Reds & Readers Live at Five. (I will watch it on replay.)This month’s event is 5-8 tonight. Our neighbors two houses down are performing at the Clubhouse and it was my bright idea that we all go enmasse to support them…no set up or cleanup for us! Would you believe there are complainers that it is a Wed instead of a Friday? One thing I have learned in my almost 63 years of life (my birthday is tomorrow) is that you cannot please everyone. So go or don’t go, people, I don’t care.
Btw I am seriously a total introvert by nature. I am having way too much peopling here at On Top of the World.
Deletehappy birthday Brenda! So smart to get everyone to the clubhouse:)
DeleteHappy birthday, Brenda! Break a leg to your neighbors, too.
DeleteSounds like your neighbors are taking advantage of your willingness to help. Like a friend says, some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope. Don't let the turkeys get ya down.
Happy birthday, Brenda! I probably will not make it to Happy Hour today. More likely to watch it on Replay.
DeleteHappy happy birthday, darling friend! And yes, that understanding is the best gift you can give yourself!
DeleteHappy birthday, Brenda! Enjoy the show tonight. And then maybe stay home on Friday, away from “the peopling”. Make that your gift to yourself. :-) Pat S
DeleteHappy birthday! And a middle finger to anyone giving you grief!
DeleteBrenda, you cracked me up comparing your current position as "block captain" in your condo complex to "dorm floor social chairman!" The more things change...
DeleteHave a great birthday tomorrow!
Happy birthday, Brenda!
DeleteCongratulations on the release, Ellen! It's another twisty and story, and I loved it.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I've had to adapt my personality to a workplace. I'm glad you've found your true relaxed self in the mystery world.
I can't make the happy hour today - I'll be making happy with Ida Rose instead!
DeleteWe will miss you!
DeleteAbove, I meant to write, "another twisty and fun story" - sheesh!
DeleteThanks so much, Edith. And don't worry about the typo. You should see the mistakes I make!
DeleteEllen, it's fun to see you here. Your new book is delightful. I received a copy from Goodreads and am loving it!
ReplyDeleteI understand about how you have to sometimes dig out a different personality in different work environments. It can be very stressful to maintain a persona that fits the mold and I understand how it can make one cautious in new situations. The mystery writing community is extraordinarily generous and welcoming. I think that's why fans are so drawn to it. I can't believe how lucky I am to have found this blog.
Ohhhhh Judy that is the nicest thing ever! Thank you thank you thank you! We love you, too!
DeleteJudy! Thank you SO much. Congrats on winning a Goodreads copy! And yes to all you said.
DeleteWe're lucky to have found you, Judy!
DeleteWelcome Ellen and Congrats! I can't really picture you as quiet and down, but I'm so glad the mystery writers have supported your true self!
ReplyDeleteSuch a lovely post today, I agree…
DeleteThank you both so much. I really appreciate the blog - and support!
DeleteEllen, I can't imagine you as a quiet, dark, downer--though I know what it's like from my own (journalism) days in Hollywood.
ReplyDeleteWe're all enjoying the real you now, in Mysteryland!
Perfect, Becky Sue! And I owe you an email… Coming today!
DeleteBecky Sue, thank you! And yup, you get it.
DeleteCongratulations Ellen! Thanks for sharing your story. I was a shy, somewhat serious (with a streak of raunchy humor from my Yorkshireman dad) intellectually minded 20-something when I was hired at 9-1-1 and I had to quickly develop a backbone, The recent article in the WaPo about the difficulties that come with being an air traffic controller trainee reminded me a lot of my first years at 9-1-1. There's a group of old-timers with their institutional knowledge and their in-group jokes who are all looking at the newbies and judging whether they have what it takes. They are the ones who do on the job training, so they have a lot of power. Then there are the callers and the police officers, both of whom were apt to say mean things to dispatchers. I developed the ability to (mostly) let it roll off me and successfully completed training. I was a coach myself for a long time and tried to treat my trainees well.
ReplyDeleteOh my goodness, that is so powerful! I can’t even imagine the stress. And you are so kind throughout.
DeleteGillian, wow! Thank you so much for doing this tough job. You're the definition of an essential worker.
DeleteEllen, I have been happily retired for a long time :)
DeleteGillian, my husband was a 911 dispatcher, too, and he absolutely agrees with you.
DeleteCongrats on the release and glad you found a career you can be you, Ellen. I can't imagine you any other way.
ReplyDeleteI didn't have to change my personality until I took a job as a project manager instead of a tech writer. No wonder I got fired. But my current gig allows me to be myself. All my co-workers think it's super cool I write fiction, especially mysteries.
Oh dear, what a journey! But you certainly landed on your feet!
DeleteBoo to being fired! But I'm glad you found a great job and that your colleagues support your alternative career!
DeleteFunny, when I got fire, I thought "boo." Turned out to be one of the best things that ever happened to me. The universe knows what it's doing.
DeleteYour new series sounds great! Please enter me in the drawing. I just retired from 38 years of teaching, first 21 junior high kids and last 17 elementary gifted ed. I had to develop WAY more patience than I naturally had. I also had an internal dialogue running of all the things I wished to say but knew were inappropriate! Mignonne S.
ReplyDeleteYes indeed, the running commentary.
DeleteIf people only knew :-)
Mignonne, congratulations on your retirement. Teachers are heroes!! I can imagine what was going in that internal dialogue, lol
DeleteTeachers are heroes and saints!!
DeleteHi, Ellen!!! Congrats on the new book!
ReplyDeleteBack when I taught yoga, the studio owner would have much preferred me to be more serious--and I did tamp down my enthusiastic side--but I always threw humor into my classes. And my students seemed to enjoy the less stuffy approach. Eventually, though, I did leave that studio environment so I could be more myself. Thankfully, as you said, the mystery community is fabulous and accepting of us just being who we are.
I had no idea you taught yoga! How fascinating!
DeleteAnnette, hi!! I bet you were a fab teacher. It's that studio's loss!
DeleteWe are all happy you found your true joy in mystery writing, Ellen. It shows! I thoroughly enjoyed A Very Woodsy Murder already, and am looking forward to the next.
ReplyDeleteThere was one job where I struggled, when I was in my 20's. My boss kept calling me in and insisting I needed to "change my attitude", but she never once constructively defined what that meant. Very frustrating. On to the next job!
Meant to add that I have worked in several male-dominated industries: retail (at the buyer level in the 1970's), investments/insurance, and believe it or not, kitchen and bath design. The insurance industry is famous for teaching salespeople to hard sell, which I absolutely could not do, and I ended up being one of the more successful agents in our office, to the mystification of the men. That taught me that there is more than one way to skin a cat!
DeleteI will not be available for the chat, again, drat it. Our community has a big-deal meeting at that time to determine the use of a major new property acquisition, and we want to have our say.
Yes, that is an important meeting to attend, certainly! And yes, the hard sell thing… If you don’t understand that there’s another way, you’re really missing out. You would think they’d understand it from their own experience being on the other side of the table!
Deletethanks so much, Karen! And really... change your attitude? To WHAT? And good luck with the meeting. I've been going to community meetings to fight the FAA's new and dangerous flight path for ten years.
DeleteCongratulations on the new book, Ellen! Isn't it wonderful when you find the freedom to be yourself? My last job before retiring had me working with all men. It was fascinating. I grew up in a family that I swear must have a sarcasm gene because we are all just a bit snarky. One of the guys I worked with once asked me if I grew up with brothers and I said no, just sisters. He said that I gave as good as I got and that gained respect with the guys. Also, I am a small stature woman and most of these guys were much larger than I and the bullies among them liked to use that size as a way to intimidate. Loud and blustery and into my space. I learned to just speak softer and softer until they had to back off and be quiet to hear what I was saying. Later they would come back and apologize for their behavior and sometimes become my protector instead. I just figured that I was at the top of my pay grade in a position that had no advancement opportunities and I decided to simply be me. Amazing how it worked and gained respect that I had never expected. -- Victoria
ReplyDeleteStanding ovation, Victoria!
DeleteVictoria, this is fabulous! I'm small too and my partner was even shorter, although she refused to admit it, lol. A network president once called us the Short Team. A coworker called us the Writing Smurfs. We gritted our teeth and faked laughter. And yes to your approach. As the saying goes, sometimes it's easier to drive a hard bargain with a soft touch.
DeleteELLEN: Congratulations. Happy publication week! Does the Sylvan Burr character look like Aaron Burr? I'm thinking of Aaron Burr from American history. I cannot imagine you as a "Debbie Downer". When I met you at Malice, I remember your cheerful personality. Thank you for sharing your story.
ReplyDeleteWho are the people in that big photo with you ? Are they other TV writers or mystery writers? Everyone is wearing Hawaiian shirts.
Many years ago. I worked for a boss who took the time to learn Sign Language before I started working there. I cannot recall if I had to "amp down" my personality, though I recall we all were expected to be professionals. One of my co-workers was not patient with me on my first day and talked really fast. Later that co-worker apologized and learned sign language. Not everyone knew sign language. it took them about three months to understand my Deaf accent. And I could communicate with them eventually.
Thinking about Sign Language interpreters. I do not work as an Interpreter. I know that the interpreters have a code of ethics. They are not allowed to divulge information about anyone they translate for because of privacy issues. I wonder if any of them had to "amp down" their personalities. I had one ASL interpreter who violated the Code of Ethics. Unfortunately this ASL interpreter was on Staff during my senior year at Uni.
The interpreter code of ethics? Wow. I have never thought about that. That is incredibly interesting… Wow
DeleteDiana, thank you for sharing this. It's fascinating. The picture is the whole cast and crew for STILL STANDING. I can't remember why we had to wear Hawaiian shirts and leis for the photo. They must have thought it was clever. Or the opposite of the show's Chicago setting.
DeleteCongratulations on your new book, Ellen! I, too, have experience not being myself at work. I worked many years in banking, also a male dominated profession, especially in mortgages where I ended up. Much of the time I couldn’t show myself as open and bubbly, but as serious and buttoned down. To be honest I am all four of those things. Especially when I was starting out in the eighties, I had to wear the mannish female skirt suits and be super professional at all times to be taken seriously. That expectation slowly evolved into less mannish styles and behaviors, and towards the end I found I could be myself - maybe because I was close to retirement and I didn’t care as much along with a freeing up of that uptight, starched expectation in the banking world. Now, as a retired banker and a writer, I can be myself wholly all of the time (and what a jumbled mess that is!). And I also have found the writing community to be a much more welcoming place.
ReplyDeleteWe are all jumbled messes! I’m proud of it :-)
DeleteI can absolutely see how you would have to subjugate your personality in baking. But I'm glad you found a way to be yourself - and now can be the beauty that is a jumbled mess!
DeleteDon't put me in the drawing. I loved the first book! When my husband took a new job in NE Ohio, besides culture shock I had to put up with nonsense because of my southern accent. Naturally I avoided those people as much as possible as they tended to demand I say something to their friends so they could comment on it. I'd say a very neutral hello and scurry off. I did not like being treated like a trick dog.
ReplyDeletePay, thank you so much. I'm sorry people were so rude about your accent. I LOVE accents! I hear less of them here in L.A. than I did in NY. I miss them.
Deleteoops, that should be Pat, not Pay!
DeletePat: people can be cruel. Sorry you went through that. Years ago, when my younger cousins first moved back to California, the eldest wondered why I was trying to sound like his British accent? I didn't know I was doing that. After some thought, I explained that after years of singing in choir, I was used to blending into with the person I was standing next to, so what I was doing when I was around him and his very British mother, was done completely unconsciously. Not sure if he understood. It took some work to turn off my ear, so I spoke like me and not like him. If his has British accent now, I don't hear it. Of course, he has lived here for 40 years so it may have faded.
DeleteDeanna, same thing happens to me. I find my voice adjusting to the speaker and circumstances. Sometimes my drawl is so Southern I don't recognize myself, but for some reason it puts folks at ease. Weird, and very hard to turn off. -- Victoria
DeleteOh, Ellen - I can just imagine you holding your own in the writers' room. You're smart, funny, take no prisoners... I chose a gentler path where women dominated - for years a teacher. I'm too much of a hot-house flower to have survived in tv writing. But it sounds like you met the most interesting if exasperating people. Congratulations on SOLID GOLD MURDER. Sounds like... solid gold!
ReplyDeleteHallie!! I miss you. We have to get you back to CA sometime.
DeleteI swore I'd never cry. I did, twice. But not bad for a 25-year career in the writers room! And I actually got a very sincere apology for one of those times.
Hi Ellen. Thanks for sharing the secret of your cheerfulness! And congratulations on the second book in your series.
ReplyDeleteHi Kim! The secret to my current cheerfulness is people like you! xo
DeleteForgot to share this earlier, harking back to yesterday's blog. It doesn't answer all the questions, but has interesting information.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.kveller.com/the-jewish-history-of-mah-jongg-is-complicated/
Congratulations on the book, Ellen (which I can't wait to read, )and I'm so glad you get to be you!
ReplyDeleteMy first job out of college was absolutely horrible. Amazingly, I'd gotten to that age and never really had to deal with bullying men. And I certainly couldn't be my naturally friendly and chatty self.
I hear you. I think my worst experience right after college was an audition for an internship at a theatre company I was dying to work for. The exec director invited me to have a drink after my audition - I was the last of the day - and said he'd love to give me the internship and detailed the duties, ending with "And you'd sleep with me." I thought he was kidding. When I realized he wasn't, I politely declined. Needless to say, I didn't get the internship.
DeleteIt's good to see Ellen on here today. Ellen, you are just one of those people who have the gift of making people feel better, whether online or in person. Speaking of in person, I think I've only been in your presence minutes, but I want to remedy that one of these days. I know you'd be so interesting to talk to. I hope to get to Malice next year, so hopefully then. Congratulations on the new book, which I'm sure will be another hit.
ReplyDeleteConcerning needing to be another person somewhere you work, I taught at a school where I loved the other personnel, except they were rather conservative religiously. It's not that I wasn't religious then, but there was no talk of sex or any bawdy talk (ha ha, get it bawdy/body). And these were all women I dealt with. I made the mistake of saying the chicken casserole (which the cooks knew I loved and gave me a little extra) was better than an orgasm. Well, it was, but the looks and tut-tuts I got told me I had stepped way over the boundaries. They forgave me though. Bless their hearts (meant Southern style).
So, I got a chicken spaghetti casserole started in the crock pot and timed so I can attend the Reds get-together. For somebody who says she doesn't cook anymore, I seem to be doing just that. I think I'm hungry for some of my recipes I enjoy. Philip does a great job of making sure we have supper every night, but I've finally been able to jump in occasionally and help.
Kathy!!! First of all, you are too, too kind. I REALLY hope you get to Malice next year. I'd love to meet in person. And second - you got an actual LOL with that chicken casserole description!! Thank you for that. 😂😂😂
DeleteEllen,
ReplyDeleteSo good to see you here again! I enjoy your books and I just realized that I have fallen behind in reading them. I’m going to need to remedy that!
I won’t be able to join you folks at 5 o’clock for the happy hour because I’ll be in the middle of an appointment then. But I plan to get caught up later on. Have fun everyone!
DebRo
Lol, welcome back to the Byronic canon, Deb!
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