HALLIE EPHRON: The other day I was fresh out of new titles so I plucked one of my own books from my shelf: There Was an Old Woman. And I started to read.
From Page One I was stunned. The character I created back in 2012, Mina Yetner, looks and sounds a lot like the nonfictional ME, today.
The novel opens with elderly Mina reading the death notices as she drinks her morning tea. Among the “dearly departed” she finds the name of a neighbor and adds it to her ongoing (four pages so far) list of dead people she’s known.
So far so good. Feels like a good story brewing. (I do not keep a list of the dead people I’ve known.)
“Mina found lists calming, even this one. These days she couldn’t live without them. Some mornings she’d pick up her toothbrush to brush her teeth and realize it was already wet. She kept her Lipitor in a little plastic pillbox with compartments for each day of the week, though sometimes she had to check the newspaper to be sure what day it was.”
Now THAT paragraph could easily describe me today…
I continued to read the book, amazed at how much the character of Minda Yetner, whom I wrote so long ago, feels like me now.
How did I know?? Is writing a novel the same as creating a self fulfilling prophecy?
So, today’s question: Which character in which of your books is most nearly YOU? And is there an up-side or a down-side (or both) to that?
LUCY BURDETTE: I’m amazed as I look back at how much each main character contains a kernel of me. Cassie the golfer is determined yet hobbled by her doubts.
Rebecca Butterman is serious about her work, a little lonely, completely loyal. One scene written about the next door neighbor who ends up as victim, comes directly from my life when I was newly divorced.
Hayley Snow, of course, is devoted to her family even when they drive her crazy. And devoted to food. Here she is in the opening of the first book, An Appetite for Murder.
“Lots of people think they’d love to eat for a living. Me? I’d kill for it. Which makes total sense, coming from my family. FTD told my mother to say it with flowers, but she said it with food. Lost a pet? Your job? Your mind? Life always felt better with a serving of Mom’s braised short ribs or red velvet cake in your belly. In my family, we ate when happy or sad but especially, we ate when we were worried.”
JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: I agree, Lucy, there’s a bit of my in all my characters, because that’s how I create them. It’s the way I was taught when studying acting; you find the kernel of experience or emotion from your own life and use that as the starting point when fleshing out the character.
That being said, I was much more like Clare when I started writing my series at the end of the Twentieth Century! I was impulsive, asking what it meant to live out my faith in a secular world, and so, so familiar with being the outsider from my childhood and young adult years.
Now, a quarter century later, I’m much more like Russ. More cautious, definitely more skeptical, and someone who can’t think of anything more pleasing than staying in my little home town forever.
HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: Such a fun question! And the “me/not me” situation turned out to be pivotal in my writing.
When I was first trying to write PRIME TIME–my first book, in 2005!--the main character Charlotte McNally was a Boston TV reporter who worried she was getting too old-looking for her job. (You can see how I scraped the bottom for inspiration.)
But early on, I had a scene where she had to drive somewhere. And I thought: oh, this isn’t going to work, because I hate to drive, so Charlie hates to drive, and now she’ll be thinking about how to avoid it. Rats. In this scene, she really MUST drive.
And then it struck me. She’s a fictional character! She can LOVE to drive! I remember that moment, so clearly. It was the moment I realized I could make stuff up!
Charlie was as close to me as a character gets. Reporter Jane Ryland, in my Jane series, was definitely NOT me. Very different from me, except for her devotion to journalism But she is much braver.
After that, no one is ME, but of course, because of who I am and my personal experiences, no one could have created those particular characters but me.
RHYS BOWEN: I suppose we all put our values, our world-view into all our protagonists. It would be hard for me to write about someone I completely despised.
Both Molly and Lady Georgie have some of my traits. I created Molly because I wanted a feisty female sleuth with a strong sense of justice who doesn’t always know when to shut up or back off. That’s quite a lot like me in my younger years. Now I’m more mellow.
And Georgie? I have made her suffer through several of my more embarrassing situations like her brief and disastrous modeling career that mirrored mine. Also she tends to be clumsy when nervous. Also a little like me.
But they are both really young and I have to remember that they don’t have the wisdom or patience that comes with age.
On the other hand I really loved creating Mrs. Endicott for my upcoming stand-alone. A woman of middle age, the perfect British wife, who has lived her husband’s life and now has a chance to discover who she really is and what she wants. So empowering! And I loved who she becomes by the end of the story.
JENN MCKINLAY: Such an interesting question! I think there are elements of myself in many of my characters. Lindsey the librarian (occupation), Mel the cupcake baker (love of baked goods), Scarlett the hat shop owner (extrovert) – I see bits of me in all of them.
In my upcoming fantasy, I see skeptical me with childhood baggage in my heroine Zoe Ziakas.
But as for which one is most like me, I have no idea. Even in the romcoms I write, I see bits of me in the characters but not a close match to any of them as I give them drama and personally I loathe drama. LOL.
DEBORAH CROMBIE: When I first started writing my series, I felt like Duncan was my male alter ego, and I made an effort to make Gemma as different in personality traits as I could. He was more contemplative, more of an observer, while Gemma was prone to leap into situations feet first. She was quicker to judge but also quicker to form attachments that could sometimes affect her judgement.
Now I think they've both absorbed some of the other's traits, but they've also become more themselves. I'm sure I'm in the mix somewhere but I couldn't pick something out and say "that's me." On the other hand, I don't think we can imagine any characters that don't have some element of ourselves.
HALLIE: So today's question... Is there a character in a mystery novel that you can identify with? Sherlock? Hercule? Nancy Drew? Miss Marple? Stephanie Plum? Kinsey Milhone? V. I. Warshawski? Or....?
Such an interesting question, Hallie . . . although I'm not nearly as funny [or as self-assured] as Julia's church secretary Lois, she's a character I can readiy identify with . . . .
ReplyDeleteSo interesting, Joan - you might be interested in what Julia once wrote about where that character came from: "I wrote a small side character, the church secretary, named Lois, which was my mother’s name. My mom passed unexpectedly in 2018 and when I’m writing Lois, whose job is to be funny and hand Clare her messages, it’s like being with my mom a bit."
DeleteThat's so interesting . . . .
DeleteMy mother once called me up and said, "I want you to promise me something."
DeleteI cautiously replied, "Okay... what?"
Mom said, "I want you to promise me Lois will always be a size six."
When I first created my Zoe Chambers character, I borrowed heavily from my life (worked on an ambulance, owned horses), but I gave Zoe a more "kick ass" kind of woman... more of what I WISHED I could be.
ReplyDeleteYou HAVE had an exceptionally rich source to draw from!! Wow.
DeleteAs a reader, I do think about where ideas come from and where characters come from, too. It's not surprising that Jenn has created a librarian or Hank a reporter or Roberta a psychologist or a food specialist. Some of the things we discuss on the blog, although seemingly ordinary topics, help us understand Rhys's strong sense of Justice and also, her thorough understanding of the foibles of the British upper classes. This is a great topic, Hallie.
ReplyDeleteBTW, yesterday's fun blog went on until early morning so check it out.
It's the old "write what you know" (until you run out of stuff that you know and then do the research!)
DeleteI've now created seven series protagonists. They all have parts of me, but I purposely try to make them different in appearance and height from me (that last one isn't hard), and of course they're all younger. Like Annette, I also give them aspirational abilities and habit, things I don't have but might like to. Fun topic!
ReplyDeleteWondering what that "starting over" process has been like, when you shift from one series to the next.
DeleteWhen I'm starting a new series, it's fun to build a new world - as you do with standalones, except mine have to endure for three books or more. With my Cozy Capers Book Group series, for example, my editor had turned down a proposal with a female vintage-car mechanic. I showed him, I created a female bike mechanic! Which I am not, but both my sons are into cycling and I knew I could use them as subject matter experts. And I set it in the area of Cape Cod where I go for my solo retreats, which is near the fabulous Shining Sea rail trail. I gave Mac not only her book group but also her parents and brother who live in town, because I knew family would be important to her (as it is for me). And so on.
DeleteEdith, that you and Lauren Rousseau share linguistics careers has made me identify her with you. Elisabeth
DeleteFrom Celia: I have identified with a childhood character from Arthur Ransome's Swallows And Amazons stories written through the 1930's. I consider Nancy Blackett my mentor. I think Nancy got me through boarding school , plus on into life. I needed a lot of help! And I still have my full set of books.
ReplyDeleteAlthough there are other strong female characters with camping and cooking skills I stand with Nancy.
I haven't read those books in so long, Celia. My mother loved them, and my brother has a complete set.
DeleteI haven't read them at all... note to self. I gather from Google that Arthur Ransome owned cruising yachts and he named her after his favourite character Nancy Blackett. Random...
DeleteThe main character in my books is an energetic, can-do forty something widow. There's some of me in her, though she's a much better tennis player. I've written several stories about a senior sleuth, Betty, who, after thirty years of teaching fourth grade, has taught many of the residents in town and their kids. Betty, as a senior, is invisible, which assists her sleuthing activities. She is a serious gardener with high standards. Modeled on my mother, of course. I will never be Betty.
ReplyDeleteNever?? She sounds pretty cool.
DeleteEven when I was 5 years old, I noticed seniors. At that time I remember they were called elderly or "old" people. I was at the grocery store where there was an old man ahead of us. I was going to ask how old he was and my parents cautioned me that it is not polite to ask people how old they are. I was confused because people asked me how old I was. I learned that while it is okay to ask children how old they are, it is never okay to ask an adult how old they are. LOL. Now that I am an adult, I notice EVERYONE.
DeleteWhat an interesting question and insightful answers. Like Celia, I reach back into my childhood favourites, namely the Jill books by Ruby Ferguson. Jill loved -- and had -- ponies. I wanted to be like Jill, though never owned horses and never learned to ride. But her courage, persistence and decency were, and remain, guiding lights for me. I re-read those books to experience a world where children know that life is about friendship, kindness and making your own fun with friends (furry and human).
ReplyDeleteThe Jill books.... that's another series I missed. I did read Nancy Drew but never identified with her. I was too young and she was too old. Sigh.
DeleteJill was a British series, published after WWII; today it is back in print via Jane Badger Books.
DeleteI like Celia's mention of Nancy Blackett. I own my mother's copy of Swallows and Amazons and collected the rest of the series (I just got back from Amsterdam so have been thinking about one called We Didn't Mean to Go to Sea in which the children accidentally sail to Holland - I haven't read it for nearly 50 years but I feel it tugging me from the guest room where my children's books live) over the years. I guess I aspire to be Nancy but always felt like Dorothea, the somewhat nerdy (but appealing) girl with glasses who joins the avid sailor group mid-series. She is conscious she doesn't completely fit in with the Walker or Blackett children, unlike her brother Dick, who is also very smart but oblivious to nuance. S&A contains one of my favorite sentences in fiction. When Mrs. Walker writes to her husband (away in the Navy) to ask if the children can go camping and sailing alone, he telegrams back, “Better drowned than duffers, if not duffers won't drown.”
ReplyDeleteAlthough I read all the Nancy Drew and Dana Girls books as I am sure most of us did, I identified more with Judy Bolton, perhaps more human because not written by a syndicate. She squabbles with her brother, says things she regrets, wants to hang with the popular girls, yet is loyal and determined.
Duffers??? I had to look it up.
DeleteFrom Celia: Hallie, a great description of a duffer can be found in CS Lewis Narnia books - dufflepud! I can't remember which book but the children land on a "deserted "; island where they hear strange but loud thumps. Lucy has to go and find the solution in a book of magic kept in the library . . .
DeleteI am so enjoying the response on S&A. I think I wrote about the anchor incident and me in another blog.
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
DeleteLike the other writers, I suppose there's a bit of "me" - my values and beliefs - in all my characters. I don't set out to make them that way. They are, however, all a lot braver than I am. And a lot more active.
ReplyDeleteI'm noodling a new project where the protagonist is older (40s instead of 30s) and has MS, which I do. I stayed away from that for many years, but I think I'm finally ready to write her. But she'll still be more assertive than I ever was.
Looking forward to "meeting" your new protagonist! I do think we can't help but leaking into *some* of our characters.
DeleteLiz, please keep moving toward that “ready to write her”. I like her already. Elisabeth
DeleteMy character Wanda Duff in the "Death at Fair Havens" series in me in profession (clergy), style of investigation of any mystery, murderous or otherwise, and intentionally opposite in personality, family setting and physical presence. So I wasn't looking to find myself in Ilene Schneider's Rabbi Aviva Cohen, but had great fun with it and wish there were more.
ReplyDeleteWith curious JRR's, I'm guessing "Maren" is Marent C. Tirabassi co-author of the Rev & Rye series.
DeleteYes, indeed, and a reader here all the time but not a commentator very often! (Just used the name of the first book in the series ... 4 is at the publishers now)
Deletethat's awesome. I'll look for your novels, Maren.
DeleteIn high school I wanted to be a forest ranger, which didn't happen. When the Anna Pigeon series was published I got see a little bit more of that world. Nancy's friend George because she wasn't super thin and still had a boyfriend. Well, I never had the boyfriend but there was hope because of George.
ReplyDeleteThat is so sweet! Hoping you're still a hiker and fan of nature
DeleteCan't think of a character that I identify strongly with, but I know I have at one time or another.
ReplyDeleteWhen I read some authors, though, I get a strong sense of the writer behind the work, more than others. How could we not?
I think you can sense something about the writer in the villain even.
DeleteI wonder if this is why so many of my friends are authors whose characters I loved before I met their creators face to face?
ReplyDeleteAnother question for another day: is fiction writing a mirror of the soul
DeleteNot wanting to do unnecessary toe-treading, I would choose Elly Griffiths’ Ruth Galloway. She has so many sides to her character that surely I could find something fitting for comparison.
ReplyDeleteAnd not to change the subject … but I will.
I’m a bit torn about all these autistic savants that show up on TV as detectives. Or doctors or lawyers or Temple Grandin wannabes. Neurodivergence is seen as that condition without which crimes can not be solved. And they are all savants. I have three cousins who are “on the spectrum”, and trust me, not a savant amongst them, and all are non-verbal. It seems to be a good part for an actor with a flat affect.
Ann, on your changed subject, yet another reason I’m grateful not to own/watch TV. Such a distorted world we live in. Now, I need to go find out who Ellie Griffiths and Ruth Galloway are. Take care. Elisabeth
DeleteOf course (as I'm sure you know) we love to give our heroes an Achilles heel... the blind detective; neuro-divergent, traumatized-by-past-event, alcoholic or drug addicted...
DeleteOh Elisabeth, you are in for a treat!
DeleteWell, I have to say Dani O'Rourke, the protagonist in my first three-book series, is a bit like me without the propensity to stumble over dead bodies and the courage not to flee, screaming. But she's a fundraiser, an art lover, and a somewhat cynical observer of people and protocols. One huge difference: her ex inherited $50 million, has two Porsches and a pied a terre in Paris. Sadly, a total fiction!
ReplyDeleteSusan, is it a coincidence that you both have Irish names? Diana
DeleteI think the fun of writing these is we get to write about our favorite stuff. And imagine life if we had great money/beauty/personal charisma.
DeleteAs much as I love mysteries, I cannot think of a character that I strongly identify with. I am in the midst of writing a short story (mystery) for a mystery conference next year. My entry probably will not be accepted, though it is good practice for me to write. The maximum words are 5k so I have been looking at samples with less than 5k words to see how the story is developed.
ReplyDeleteDiana
Yay, Diana!! IMHOP writing a short story is harder than writing a novel because you have to do all the same stuff in 5% of the word count
DeleteI'm not sure if I identify with him, but I'd love the life of Brother Cadfael. Hanging out in the herb garden and potting shed, singing in the choir, wrapping up in wool and staying close to the fire when it's cold.
ReplyDeleteActually, I think this IS my life.
I was going to choose him, but knew that not-2025 was wishful thinking.
DeleteCadfael?!? I need to think about that.
DeleteJust remembered something. In the 6th grade, I wrote a story about a deaf woman who won Miss America then 15 years later, it actually happened in real life! Self fulfilling prophecy ?
ReplyDeleteDING DING DING!!
DeleteWhat just popped into my head is the first grownup mystery novel I read, P. D. James's early novel AN UNSUITABLE JOB FOR A WOMAN. I totally related to Cordelia Gray. I wish she'd written more novels featuring her. Not surprisingly it was published in 1972 during the burgeoning women's movement.
ReplyDeleteI’ve been thinking about this all day and have decided upon Nate the Great from the children’s series by Marjorie Weinman Sharmat. Or perhaps I am more like his sidekick, the dog named Sludge.
ReplyDeleteOops that was me
ReplyDeleteWhen I was younger I definitely identified with Stephanie Plum! But I think I might have grown past her. *sob*
ReplyDeleteFrom Celia::Jenn of course you did as I think does my daughter, Olivia,
DeleteWheels within wheels, oh my! Ruby in Susan Whiting Albert’s China Bayles books imagined herself as Stephanie Plum! (Assuming my “accurate” memory. LOL) Elisabeth
DeleteA children's book that I loved was CADDIE WOODLAWN, by Carol Ryrie Brink. I was a tomboy like Caddie, and I identified very strongly with her, even though the story is set in the 1800s.
ReplyDeleteA great book, although my favorite by her was Two Are Better Than One about two best friends who write a book together (I immediately made my friend do this with me instead of paying attention to 7th grade).
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