Thursday, May 8, 2025

Charlie, Worms, and Camp Granada

JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: When you read the title of this post, did a song immediately pop into your head? Maybe two? Whether you call them novelty songs or children's songs or camp songs, there's a whole universe of them out there, living long past their expected sell-by dates. Why? I don't know, nor can I tell you how they're transmitted from one generation to the next, but they are.

 

Let's take the first name mentioned - Charlie. Charlie, who will ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston. I won't ask you to raise your hands (since I can't see you) but I'm going to guess a LOT of you can start humming or singing at least part of the Kingston Trio's hit "MTA Song." I certainly can. Here's the thing: it was released almost three years before I was born. I know my mom's extensive record collection didn't include anything by the Kingston Trio. I'm pretty sure it wasn't in regular rotation by the time I started paying attention to the radio in the early seventies. And of all the places we lived, New England was not on the list. I didn't visit Boston until my best friend was a Smith College.

 

So how is it I know this song?

 

There is a sizable portion of this genre, if we want to call it that, coming from a long, long tradition of American children's songs and games. "Guess I'll Go Eat Worms," "Miss Mary Mack," and "Chewin' Gum" can all be dated back to the mid-1800s. I remember my grandmother teaching me the hand-slapping game and I thought it was about her, because she had been Miss Mary MacEachron! 

 

My mom would sing "Nobody loves me, everybody hates me," when I was sulky, and I, in turn, did the same to my kids. So we can see how it's passed on, between children and to children. But again, how many mid-nineteenth century songs do you know all the lyrics to? 

 

Then there's the classic (?) "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah," which my own children encountered at summer camp. I have no idea how I picked it up, since I didn't go to camp. (It has a whole different connotation to Army brats anyway.) Written in 1963 by Allen Sherman, it was a huge success and won a Grammy the next year for best comedy performance. He also had a huge hit with the parody, "The Twelve Gifts of Christmas" (it starts with the receipt of a Japanese transistor radio, so you know how old it is.)

 

How many of you can sing Sherman's second hit, as compared to the first?

 

It is indeed a great mystery how some of these silly songs seep into the cultural consciousness and stay there, playing over and over as the decades go by. What are the silly songs you remember, dear readers, and can you identify when and where you learned them? 

77 comments:

  1. I have no idea where I learned any of those silly songs [or why I remember them] . . . remember ooh eeh ooh aah aah ting tang walla walla bingbang . . . . ????

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    1. Was that from Purple People Eaters, Joan? I can hear the tune of it - no, it's from "Witch Doctor!"

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    2. "I told the Witch Doctor I was in love with you." Great. Now THAT is stuck in my head!

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    3. I was going to link to our discussion about earworms in my post, and then I thought, "No, that's just ASKING for trouble."

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  2. Raising my hand for all of it live and in the moment except The Twelve Gifts of Christmas (had to go listen and watch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCHMnEjEseo - hilarious!). I still know all the words to Charlie and the MTA, but they didn't really mean anything until I moved to Boston in the early 80s. As a kid I thought, "Why didn't his wife just put the nickel in the sandwich?!" My sisters and I, and our parents too, were at the cusp of the Great Folk Music Scare of the Sixties.

    My sisters and I went to girl scout camp every summer, and singing in the dining hall was a big deal, many times in rounds and harmonies. Dona Nobis Pacem, Down Yonder Green Valley, Barges, Rose Rose Rose, and more, plus canoeing songs like My Paddles Keen and Bright (which I just THIS moment learn is Keen, not Clean...), and cowboys songs like Been Ridin'. None of these are silly, per se, but when you learn a song as a child, it sticks.

    Then there are songs like "London Bridge is Falling Down" which have roots in the Black Plaque. Ooh, and what about commercial jingles? "Brusha brusha brush, brusha with Ipana, ... toooooth-paste," "I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner," and the fractured version of "Chiquita Banana" that veers into, "Peel a banana and put it on the floor, and watch your teacher go sailing out the door."

    Fond memories, Julia. Thanks!

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    1. At camp, we all had to line up in our various groups before we were let in to the dining room table by table to meals. There was always a slow poke, and everyone would yell "You're always behind, just like the old cows tail." It is still used in this family today.

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    2. Maybe Edith has the secret: when you learn a song as a child, it sticks.

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  3. Oh dear god. Not the Chipmunks! anything but the Chipmunks.. I will go you an "itsy bitsy teeny tiny yellow polka dot bikini" (snap snap) to get the Chipmunks outta my head. I am a generation before most of you -- "It was a mash, a monster mash" -- I never did like or wear short shorts.. and darn it my ears didn't hang low. But ya shoulda seen me hand jive. kids it was a blast.

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    1. Coralee, I just did a quick look-up - "Do Your Ears Hang Low" originates in a vaudeville song from 1838! Talk about staying power. And of course, there are several, shall we say, more adult variations, for both girls and guys.

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    2. Oh, dear, Julia. I can just imagine the adult versions! Never heard of or thought of that, but now...

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  4. I loved the novelty songs that were popular when I was growing up. I am sure that I saw Allan Sherman perform the camp song. It was very clever!

    Novelty songs were really big in the 1950's and early 1960's. I knew the words (or what I thought were the words) to most of them. I will mention just one of my favorites and then everyone else can chime in with more. I love "Love Potion Number 9." These songs were not before my time, they were in my time.

    My grandmother, who was born in the 1800's, taught us several songs and children's rhymes. I can still hear her singing "East side, west side, all around the town..."

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  5. I have never heard of Charlie or Miss Mary Mack or Chewin' gum.
    Maybe because I'm Canadian? Or since I never went to camp??

    Out of curiosity, I searched for CANADIAN novelty songs from my childhood in the 1960s & 1970s but did not find any I recognize. Hmmm.

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    1. GRACE: May I ask if your kindergarten had class songs? I am not familiar with these songs either. Even though I went to a camp, it was a Deaf camp and I only recall things like putting on plays and skits. No recollection of songs, though. My grammar school class sang the song to honor 200 years of the American Revolution. I cannot spell Bicennential. All of the classes from kindergarten to the fifth? sixth? grade at school sang songs.

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    2. Grace, you're Japanese-Canadian, right? Lots of times, these songs are also passed along from parents or grandparents to their kids. You may have missed this if the older generations of your family didn't know them.

      How about that classic kids song, "Jingle Bells, Batman Smells?"

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  6. Not familiar with any of these songs either.

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    1. JULIA: Are "The pigs who went to the market..." and "Itsy Bitsy Spider" songs or are they Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes?

      Since you mentioned your Mum's record collection, I remember going through the record collection with my Mum when I was about five years old. I remember seeing pictures on the record covers. Seeing record cover photos of Joan Baez, James Taylor, the Beatles, John F. Kennedy among many others was how I learned about some of the famous people. I learned that JFK was the President of the USA. There was a huge collection of records! Regarding camp, I went to a Deaf camp and I remember the plays, not the songs. We put on plays.

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    2. Diana, these are very, very much part of an oral tradition rather than something written down, like poetry. I wouldn't expect anyone Deaf to have absorbed these.

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    3. LOL. Exactly, Julia, unless a hearing person shared the songs .....

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  7. Camp songs! I remember them all and taught them to my kids. Miss Mary Mack, Day is done, gone the sun, Do your ears hang low. We sang "Daisy Daisy give me your answer do" with Grandma while we did the dishes. My childhood was a blend of Broadway show songs and opera, which I continued with my kids.

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    1. "Oops, there goes another rubber tree," "Bicycle Built for Two," How Much is that Doggy in the Window?" were also songs from my childhood, but I don't know if our parents sang them or if they were on records or where I heard them.

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    2. Again, "Bicycle Built for Two," was written in 1892 and is still hanging around! Astonishing.

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  8. Let's see... novelty songs. Oh, I've heard a number of them. "The Witch Doctor", "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" and "The Monster Mash" are probably the ones that most will recognize. I'm sure my mother and father introduced me to those ones in particular.

    I remember hearing a few on the radio like "Rappin' Ronnie" which had someone imitating Ronald Reagan looking for votes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyJq0pMCysw

    The morning DJs on 94HJY in Providence, RI do mini parodies all the time. And you can't forget "The Twelve Pains of Christmas" which is just a freaking hilarious Xmas parody song.

    But the place where I got an education on the art of the novelty song has to be The Dr. Demento Show. It used to be on the radio and I would listen every Sunday night. He's a Radio Hall of Famer whose wide knowledge of music of all kinds is enhanced by a record collection that is reportedly more than 85,000 album. He was one of the first people to introduce the world to the legendary "Weird Al" Yankovic as well. Learn more about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Demento

    Speaking of "Weird Al", he's pretty much the king of parody songs. Who can forget such classics (including legendary videos to go along with the songs) as:

    "Fat" (Parody of Michael Jackson's "Bad") - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

    "Eat It" - (Parody of Michael Jackson's "Beat It") - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqZVihpOACE

    "I Lost on Jeopardy" (Parody of The Greg Kihn Band's "Jeopardy") - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvUZijEuNDQ

    "Like a Surgeon" (Parody of Madonna's "Like a Virgin") - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notKtAgfwDA

    "I Love Rocky Road" (Parody of Joan Jett's "I Love Rock and Roll") - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTsDOBRs8I

    "Living with a Hernia" (Parody of James Brown's "Living in America") - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIRvabJCAeM

    "Amish Paradise" (Parody of Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg

    "White and Nerdy" (Parody of the Chamillionaire & Krayzie Bone song "Ridin'") -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

    And there's one all the writers here should appreciate: "Word Crimes" (a parody of Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

    And my personal favorite: "The Saga Begins" (a parody of Don Mclean's "American Pie) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU

    There's a lot more Yankovic material but that's a good start. By the way, the two Michael Jackson parodies were noteworthy because the video for "Eat It" was practically a shot for shot remake of the "Beat It" video while "Fat" was shot on the same set as "Bad".

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  9. So many songs I learned at Camp Namanu (sure to shine, all of the time) fit this category. Fair Rosie (lots of hand motions and sexist lyrics), Purple People Eater. Lollypop (a lick on a stick, guaranteed to make you sick), and one of my favorites, Alice (Alice, where are you going, upstairs to take a bath, Alice, with legs like toothpicks and a neck like a giraffe, raffe, raffe, raffe. Alice stepped in the bathtub, pulled out the plug and then, Oh my goodness, oh my soul, there goes Alice down the hole. Alice, where are you going?. Glug.Glug.Glug. ALICE!)
    Jay, in a comment that has since disappeared, mentioned Weird Al. Weird Al is incredible.

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    1. Gilliane, for me it was Annie Mae, not Alice, who went glug down the drain, otherwise the same words!

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    2. Gillian, I'm convinced summer camps are the secret underground cultural conduit in the US!

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  10. I really enjoyed this column, as well as all the comments above! Coralee, special kudos on your great comment. I remember almost all the songs mentioned. One more that still haunts me from childhood is Chicken Fat, which I learned in a quick Google this morning was commissioned by the President's Council on Physical Fitness in 1962. I just remember it as a significant part of the torture that was school physical education class.

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    1. I remember the physical fitness patches you could earn. Thank goodness Chicken Fat did not make it to my school!

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    2. Susan, I've never heard "Chicken Fat," but I found its Wikipedia page, and of all things, it was written by Meredith Wilson, of "The Music Man" fame!

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    3. And it was performed by Robert Preston, the original “Music Man”! I had (have?) the 45! It’s a workout song telling you to do jumping jacks and run in place, all the while getting faster, if I remember correctly. — Pat S

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  11. I think we still have relatively contemporary novelty songs. Hello, "Gangnam Style,," and "The Macarena." I'd also add Taylor Swift's "Shake It Off." Plus, "Who Let the Dogs Out," by Baha Men. "What Does the Fox Say," by Ylvis.

    Apologies for possible earworms.

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    1. Rhonda, I agree - some of the songs we all know will probably die out when we do, but I can imagine our great-grandchildren singing any of the addictive hits you listed!

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  12. Not familiar with the chewin' gum song, but the others? Yep! Add Tom Lehrer to the mix; my dad liked him. The Smothers Brothers' Vat of Jello. Beep Beep. Please, Mr Custer. Stan Freberg. Roger Miller songs. Of course, all of these came from the radio in the 60s. Spike Jones, anyone?

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  13. From Celia: this is quite a collection from the past. Some I know and lots not, cultural I guess. But I am well up in English nursery lore and language both from childhood and from Jack Langstaff. I didn't go to camp until I was an adult over here.
    But for Novelty, what about Tom Lehrer? We had a record of his in the '50's - poisoning pidgeons in the park, or I hold your hand in mine dear, I press it to my lips, - so suitable of the mystery genre. He delivered them in a voice that can only be described as unique.
    As for baby, Celia, my mother like to sing -
    The was a little girl, and she had a little curl
    Right in the middle of her forehead.
    When she was good she was very very good,
    But when she was bad she was horrid.

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    1. That's definitely a nursery rhyme that's been passed down, Celia - I've recited it to my own kids!

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  14. Oh, I remember all of these. Poor Charlie on the MTA I got from my dad. Many of the others were passed on by my grandparents. And yes, I sang some of them to my kids. I'm sure they thought I was crazy.

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    1. One I left out I learned from my grandfather - who died when I was nine, so you can see how early it took root - was "Miss Sally had a steamboat, the steamboat had a bell, The steamboat went to heaven, Miss Sally went to-- HELLo operator" etc. etc. I thought it was quite naughty!

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  15. I love the MTA song. That's the fun of folk music - it's easy to sing along with.
    Then there is Splish, splash, I was taking a bath all around a Saturday night....
    and Itsy, Bitsy, teenie, weenie, yellow polka dot bikini....
    and Daisy, Daisy give me your answer true, I'm half crazy all for the likes of you...(Bicycle Built for 2)

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  16. Very interesting topic today, Julia. Very recently my son and I were talking about music and then royalties. I had asked him if the Kingston Trio still collected royalties for "Tom Dooley". He said the royalties go (mostly) to the one who wrote the songs and since that particular song was written in the 1800s and he found the names of the writers. No one in the Kingston Trio. It was written about a real incident, as was the song about Boston's MTA.

    But those other songs, most of which I do remember because I am old enough to recall when they were popular. You could say they were songs from my time.

    The conversation with my son started because I told him about a bunch of records my grandmother had. They were old 78s, I think, but I was not curious enough about them then to find out what they were. She never mentioned them and I don't think she even had a machine on which to play them. Now I am so sorry about my lack of curiosity then.

    My other grandmother, on the other hand, had a piano and she played and sang songs to me and my siblings. But they were songs we sang in Sunday school, no novelty songs. I never went to camp so the only way I learned about camp songs was from movies and TV shows. I'm still rather horrified thinking about kids around a campfire gleefully singing about the Titanic going down!

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    1. Oh, my gosh, Judy, I know that one! "It was sad, so sad, It was sad, so, sad..." My cousins taught me a silly variation that included the line, "Uncles and aunt, little children wet their pants..."

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  17. Mine was My Old Man’s a Dustman, sung in cockney by Lonnie Donovan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GeZ3YmONw For some reason it often played on the radio at noon on Sundays as all the families were eating lunch together. We would then belt it out daily all summer – I have no idea why. We also had no clue what the words were or meant so council flat became cowsill flat – made no sense but who cared as volume won over words. Banana boots, daisy roots, four foot from ‘is tail. All made us fall off our chairs laughing, “I say, I say, I say…” “It might be my old mannnnn”.
    Jack just wrote a letter to a young fellow who’s kitten we were minding, a la Hello Mudder, hello father. Hilarious.

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    1. And I bet that young man will get the reference, even though I'm guessing he was born long after Allen Sherman's career ended!

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  18. What a great topic! YAKKITY YACK, DON'T TALK BACK comes to mind. Also remembering the songs on an album called Peter, Paul and Mommy: I'm being swallowed by a boa constrictor. I'm being swallowed by a boa constrictor. I'm being swallowed by a boa constrictor, and I don't like it very much.... And of course all the Tom Lehrer songs (Poisoning Pigeons in the Park...)

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    1. We could do a whole post on Tom Lehrer alone, Hallie!

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    2. The Vatican Rag seems appropriate for this week.

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  19. Hysterical, but then, They're Coming To Take Me Away.... I don't understand why because all I did was The Monster Mash!

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    1. Just reading the words instantly puts the song into my head (including the Boris Karloff voice...)

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  20. Did anyone else have the Bump Ball album? https://youtu.be/1sfhKm3xd7Y?si=Nlx97b4lr6PHSQz7

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    1. No, Anon, but I looked it up and I can see why it was briefly popular - what teen wouldn't want to chance to "have" to squish against their crush at a party?

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  21. First thought was Monster Mash followed by Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer. Darned if those songs don't stay with you over the years. -- Victoria

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    1. "Grandma" has the combo novelty song-Christmas gene, and thus will be with us forever, just like Alvin and the Chipmunks and Dominick the Christmas Donkey.

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  22. On Top of Spaghetti, John Jacob Jinglehammer Schmidt, Does Your Chewing Gum Lose it’s Flavour, The Unicorn Song by P,P & M, and for some reason Proud Mary.

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    1. Margo, I literally laughed at the thought of Tina Turner shaking her money-maker for all its worth next to those kids' songs.

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  23. "My" cottage on the Cape, where I am writing this week, is next to a funeral home. I saw the hearse go out and come back yesterday, and I was just haunting the obituaries to see when the wake will be (tomorrow afternoon for a lovely 97-year old...). The ditty from childhood came back: "When you see a hearse go by, that means you're next to die. They wrap you up in a big white sheet, and drop you down about six feet. The worms go in, the worms go out, the worms play pinochle on your snout, ..." And the details grow more gross. It ends with, "Pray for the dead and the dead will pray for you." And as kids we thought that was a fun song!

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    1. Of course, I know that one , Edith! Our version ended "and that's what you eat when you are dead.".

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    2. Yes, of course! I was a grown up before I learned pinochle was a real card game. I had only heard it referenced in that song.

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    3. And I thought it was somehow related to a penis, which made the mention very naughty...

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  24. What a wonderful nostalgia trip, Julia. Purple people eater, my friend the witch doctor, and so many other silly songs I know. Between my father, who loved to sing (and played an Appalachian mountain dulcimer)

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    1. Whoops. Pressed publish by mistake. Between my father's songs, my time as a girl scout, my sister's many years at summer camp, and all my parents' and our records (remember Burl Ives, anyone?), my sister and I could probably go on for hours singing traditional songs and all their parodies plus silly pop songs from the Thirties through the Sixties. Mares-eat-oats-and-does-eat-oats....Our mother sang that often, very fast, to make us laugh!

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    2. Oh, Burl Ives. My mom had his folk music albums, and of course, we all loved him as the snowman narrator of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer!

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  25. You all just jiggled my memory bank ~ I remember most of the songs listed above. The only other personal childhood song I could add to the list would be "Happy Trails to You" sung by Roy Rogers and Dale Evans. I just pulled it up on YouTube and shed a few nostalgic tears. My father loved "cowboy" songs so some of the records I would listen to growing up were tunes like "Back in the Saddle Again" by Gene Autry, "Your Cheatin' Heart" and "Hey Good Lookin'" by Hank Williams and a bit later ~ Patsy Cline. Who could ever forget her voice and incredible song "Crazy"? Dad was heavily influenced by Country & Western music and played so many of the artists' records back in the 1950's. There were also many popular westerns on television in the 50's.. a lot of them geared to the younger Saturday morning cartoon crowd. I couldn't wait to sit in front of the TV as a young girl and watch "The Roy Rogers Show". Six years old and I "crushed" on Roy something fierce. :-) I walked around the house in my Dale Evans outfit, cowgirl hat, boots and toy gun and holster set annoyingly begging my mother and father to get a horse convincing them that we could convert the garage into a barn. I wore that cowgirl outfit so much it nearly fell off me from wear and tear. Although I wasn't a huge fan of all country and western music hearing Patsy Cline's voice in my younger years affected me later on when I became of huge fan (and continue to be) of kd Lang. Her voice and music is unforgettable.

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    1. Yes to both Patsy Cline and kd lang, Evelyn! The latter's Shadowland album is still one of my all-time favorites.

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  26. Hank Phillippi RyanMay 8, 2025 at 11:25 AM

    Oh, how hilarious, and thank you so much for the earworms, Julia! Yes, I know all those ridiculous songs, including Purple People Eater, “ a one eyed one horned flying purple people eater” — and I have to say, parenthetically, that even as a teenager I wondered where he got purple people.
    And of course, I fell into a vat of chocolate! (And yelled fire.)
    And Randy Newman‘s wonderful repertoire, including the apocalyptic and hilariously bitter Political Science— look it up, it’s hilarious! About why Americans hate all other countries—Including lines like “South America stole our name…”

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    1. Hank, to my mind, Randy Newman's "I Love L.A." is the absolute best song about that city, despite the hundreds more that have been written. "Look at that bum over there, man/
      He's down on his knees..."

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  27. I am laughing so hard. Thank You! I just sang along with Allen Sherman and made my husband laugh! The Charlie and the worm songs also played a role is my childhood here in MA. Hugs!

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    1. Glad to spread a little cheer as we go along, Alicia!

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  28. How about Mcnamara's Band? We used to sing it while we did housework. O, the drums go bang, the cymbals clang, the horns they blaze away. Mccarthy pumps the old bazook and I the pipes do play. Impsey, dimpsy, ootsey, kootsey it's all bit of grand. A credit to Ireland is Mcnamara's band. Of course, I was so young then, that I didn't understand what any of the words meant really. Just memorized what it sounded like.

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  29. Do your ears hang low, do they wobble to and fro.....this camp song is forever etched in my memories! 1960's in the Adirondacks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Your_Ears_Hang_Low%3F

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    1. Oh my gosh, I hated this one! No idea where I learned it. Maybe from my cousins?

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    2. By the way, I can't imagine that the original version (as opposed to the children's version) of that song had anything to do with EARS hanging low!

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  30. I didn’t realize the Kingston Trio’s song was called “Charlie” or if that wasn’t the title, I didn’t remember the man’s name was Charlie. I thought it was called “MTA”. That’s where I learned about the poor man who got stuck on the MTA. “Will he ever return, his fate is still unlearned”

    Many of the songs like Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah were on comedy albums my folks had. This sounds quaint and unrealistic, but the four of us (my parents, sister and I) would sit around and listen to a comedy album or two occasionally. We had all of Allan Sherman’s albums (My Son the Nut was one I remember), the Smothers Brothers and many more. Any that had songs on them were permanently imprinted on my young brain. My dad taught me Bicycle Built for Two and School Days. So many other songs you all have mentioned like Mary Mack were learned on playgrounds along with the complicated hand clapping motions. Fun topic, Julia! — Pat S

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    1. Love comedy albums! I have since thought the Bob Newhart first album was a classic. No songs, just him talking and so easy to picture the characters he described. We saw him for the first time on the Ed Sullivan show.

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  31. When I was a kid, WJR Radio (The Great Voice of the Great Lakes) used to have Silly Song Saturday every year on the Saturday closest to April 1. They played a whole raft of novelty songs, including many of those mentioned here. Others I haven’t seen mentioned yet are "I'm my own grandpa" amd "Three Little Fishies (In a Itty Bitty Pool)."

    My whole family are still huge fans of Stan Freberg. Most of us can quote verbatim from his "The United States of America: The Early Years" album. Quite often someone will make a comment which triggerd another one to start quoting from the album in response and it just keeps going. Even my husband, who did not grow up listening to the album, has been known to quote from it occasionally. I remember back in 6th grade, I quoted something from it in response to my history teacher and he then asked to borrow the album so he knew what I was talking about.

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