Monday, May 5, 2025

Crazy, Productive

JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: We’ve shared a lot about productivity on JRW. I used the blog’s search function to look for “productivity” efficiency” “time management” and “get to work” and had SO MANY hits I couldn’t pick just one or two to share here! We’ve talked about the Pomodoro method, and making lists and writing in sprints and the importance of physically moving and not just sitting on our keisters. (I’m trying to bring back the word ‘keister’.) We’re always open to trying new things to write better and more consistently, not to mention managing the busy, distracting lives we all share.


But you know, there are some weird productivity hacks out there. I remember back when I was going through menopause, and would wake up like clockwork around 3am and be unable to fall asleep again for hours. (Then Mr. Morning Lark would wake me at 6 and I’d have to restrain myself from mariticide.) I read an article urging women to use these hours to exercise, paint, or get the week’s meal prep done. First of all, excuse me? It’s 3am! It’s dark outside, and everyone in the house is asleep! I don’t want to be greeted at breakfast by the smell of the meatballs I made three hours earlier. I don’t want to get all sweaty and have to shower before going back to bed for what would be a half hour. And the only thing I’d be inspired to paint would be a reproduction of Edvard Munch’s THE SCREAM.

 

 


I recently discovered The Most Dangerous Writing App, and yes, that’s its real name. You set a time - three minutes, five minutes, etc. - and then write. If you stop typing for FIVE SECONDS the screen will blur and everything you’ve written during that set period will disappear. Forever! There’s a slightly gentler version, Write or Else (formerly Write or Die) that gives you the option to replace sudden death with a loud screaming noise.


I recognize this would work for some people. After all, efficiency hacks like “stop eating and only drink your meals standing up” also works for some. But it’s not gonna be me.


How about you, Reds? Have you seen any productivity/efficiency advice that makes you think, “Oh, no thank you…”?

 

 


HALLIE EPHRON: That “Most Dangerous…” writing productivity tool would make me want to give up writing completely. Because sometimes you just need to sit there, in a pool of quiet, and THINK about what you want to say. Or go rummaging around in your file directories to find the document that contains some previous thoughts you had on whatever topic you’re writing about. Or take a detour to Google for facts and inspiration. And it sounds like the app doesn’t count editing as writing. Which it SO is… because my first drafts are crappy.

 

 


DEBORAH CROMBIE: No way am I waking at 3 a.m. and going to write! Or do laundry or plan next week’s meals! As for the Most Dangerous Writing App, that would pretty much end my chances of ever writing anything. I’d be too anxious to have a coherent thought.


As for productivity hacks that DO work, nothing has ever worked so well for me as our little Reds writing accountability group. I do not want to be the one with no pages done at the end of the day. And we encourage each other, which helps enormously.

 

 


JENN McKINLAY: I’m with Debs. Our Reds writing accountability group has kept me on task, especially as a deadline LOOMS.


I had a friend who used an app where if you stopped writing it started to eat the words one at a time like a little Ms. Pac-Man. No thank you. I can’t write and have a panic attack at the same time.


RHYS BOWEN: Absolutely no hacks of any kind for me.  I’m a really disciplined writer. I sit down after breakfast and write 1500 words. I’m not allowed to stop until I’ve completed this. Some days it goes easily and get even more done. Some days I look up and it’s two o’clock and I had no idea. Other days I walk around, fling a load in the washer, get coffee and keep working. It’s like pulling teeth but I am not allowed to quit. I think what I have written is cr*p. But the next day it doesn’t always look so bad. Everyone has to find what works for them!

 

 


LUCY BURDETTE: I HATE the idea of those punitive apps. It doesn’t work for kids or pets, so why would anyone think this would encourage writers? I agree with Debs and Jenn–our little sub group is SO helpful. Though honestly, I’ve mostly been watching Jenn pile up her words for the last two weeks. Hopefully now that we’re back sort of settled in Connecticut, I’ll get back on that horse! 


HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: The very idea of that app makes me cringe! Yow. Absolutely the opposite of anything that's gonna make me write. Write  at the gunpoint peril of your own words?  Yikes.  I’m already panicked enough!  I have a words per day chart, my deadline is set in my mind, I’m reliable. 

 

I DO set a timer to keep me focused...34 minutes at a time, NO switching projects or doing the laundry or getting a diet Pepsi or checking  Instagram.  Solid 34 minutes of writing. It works beautifully, and most often, I’m so immersed that I just hit the start again and do it again. But yeesh, don’t threaten me.

 

 

 

JULIA: How about you, dear readers? Have you encountered any extreme productivity tips? (Apparently, getting up to work at 4am is the latest thing on LinkedIn...) What do you think of them?

62 comments:

  1. That "Dangerous Writing" app is absolutely cringeworthy . . . who would set themselves up for something like that?
    Somehow I've been fortunate enough not have found any of those extreme productivity tips, but it doesn't sound as if I've missed anything . . . LinkedIn may think getting up at four in the morning to work is a good idea . . . I believe I'll just have to sleep on it!

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  2. I'm one of those that get up at 4am to be at work by 6am. I do not a productivity app. That "Dangerous Writing" app would frighten me to see my words disappearing on the page.

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    1. I suspect the real answer to timing productivity is being aware of your own circadian rhythms, Dru Ann. If you're a morning person, go for it! If you perk up at 7PM, that's the time for you.

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  3. In my teaching years I routinely got up at 4 AM to prep for my classes and do barn chores before 8. The joy of retirement has been learning to sleep until 5:30 or even 6 AM. Sadly, in the last 100 days I have become so anxious that I am again getting up at 4 AM, but not to work, just to read the headlines and worry. The best productivity help I've found was recommended here by you, Julia. The Freedom app. Thank you! I shut off all social media for hours at a time and I am able to reclaim my mind from doomscrolling and marinating in the many ways we are headed for disaster. It's a huge relief and certainly supports my mental health, in addition to my productivity. I am grateful.

    Hank, I am interested that you work for thirty-FOUR minutes at a time. I've used a timer for twenty minutes, thirty minutes, etc. But never 34. What is the magic in that number? (Selden)

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    1. Hank Phillippi RyanMay 5, 2025 at 9:38 AM

      Oh good question! Because 30 minutes did not seem long enough, and 45 minutes seemed too long. 34 minutes is more than half an hour, but not too too long. It really works. And yes, it works for editing too.

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    2. Plus, you get little hits of a reward along the way, which is also lovely.

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    3. Hank, check with Annette. Maybe you can schedule a little puff of confetti after each 34 minute interval. I would love a puff of confetti every time I finish a task, as long as I don't have to sweep it up!

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    4. Gamifying works! We get sucked into it with online games and other things, might as well put it to good use by "rewarding" us when we're productive!

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  4. Lisa in Long BeachMay 5, 2025 at 6:10 AM

    Today I’m using my “awake at 3am” to read and comment on this blog! It’s normally when I’ll get some reading done, but I’ve never felt like doing anything more active then.

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    1. So THAT'S how we get so many early birds in the comments, Lisa! :-)

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  5. I write like Rhys, except I don't have breakfast first. I check in with Ramona's Sprint Club at seven, but often I've started work before that. 1500 words if I'm writing a first draft, and I can't leave the house until it's done. A morning of revising after the draft is done. Those apps would drive me bonkers!

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    1. This is making me wish I was more of a morning person, Edith!

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  6. When I lived in Toronto, I did sometimes send emails at 4:00 am. I convinced myself it was a necessary thing to do before I left home at 6:00 am to commute 1.5 hours to Environment Canada HQ! Crazy, crazy.

    Those timed productivity writing apps sound evil to me. It would do the opposite: make me panic and freeze.

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    1. Right? I have a hard time getting my creative process out of first gear if I only have a limited time to work.

      The email at 4am thing doesn't actually sound that crazy to me, Grace. When Ross was a lawyer, he used to go in to the office at 6 because it gave him a solid hour of uninterrupted time to deal with emails, etc before the day started.

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    2. Ok, that makes sense for a lawyer. I was a scientist/federal public servant who was not supposed to do any work beyond a regular 40 hour work week! No extra pay for working more since I got an annual salary. But when I switched jobs after moving to Ottawa, i was exoected to send/reply to emails in the evenings & on weekends for 3 months. Fortunately, I paid overtime for those 70-80 hours work weeks!

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  7. From Celia: good morning to everyone, yes my life has taken another turn and I'm up and dressed before 7am. Well I've talked a lot about TM and tried to help others who find that a struggle. So I've always tried to find how my client prefers to work and build from there. I don't believe there's a magic bullet and thinking way back to Marlo Thomas - Free to be you and me - it is all about the money. Every app wants to be paid as we want compensation for our efforts but don't give away one's hard earned cash without some guarantee.

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    1. Celia, I like the saying, "There are many roads to Oz" (Jenny Crusie)

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  8. That app that eats your words when you pause? Nonononononono. Not if they paid me megabucks to use it. Nope.

    What I do use is an app or program (what's the difference, anyway?) called Pacemaker that I discovered through Sisters in Crime. I post my wordcount after each day's writing session and it gives me a little puff of confetti! That's the kind of motivation I need. Not threatening to eat my words. Anyway, I set up my WIP on Pacemaker, set my total wordcount for the book and tell it my deadline. It gives a calendar with the number of words I need to write each day to meet that deadline. I usually write at least twice that many, and it adjusts accordingly. Then when I hit a dry spell, it readjusts again so I know how much to write in order to catch up. Right now, I only need to write 345 words a day, so I'm in really good shape.

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    1. that sounds cool Annette, I'd love the confetti!

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    2. I did love the confetti in Pacemaker.

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    3. Hank Phillippi RyanMay 5, 2025 at 9:36 AM

      Confetti! That’s incentive! Xx

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    4. Annette, that...actually sounds like something that I would use! I'm horrible at estimating how much I should be writing and what my pace ought to be; an app that automates the info for me sounds genuinely useful.

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    5. I was grinning from ear to ear when I read about that puff of confetti. That confetti is a reminder that we don't need huge rewards, just recognition that we did good today. -- Victoria

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    6. Confetti is nice a virtual "attagirl". That is all the affirmation I would need.

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  9. I have a weekly goal and give myself Friday afternoon off if I meet it.
    When I'm staring in the dark at 3am, I read Heather Cox Richardson's overnight column. Heather's on it, no worries. I fall back asleep.

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    1. I just recently subscribed to her column, Margaret! It is nice to start the day with wit and intelligence.

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  10. When I used to write editorials, and that was the most stressful part of putting the paper together, my ‘inspirations’ would most often come while driving to get groceries, or in that foggy time at 3am between sleep and not sleep. At no point then was there a pen or computer. The interesting thing was that 3am, it was more likely to be a concept or a new idea, but the driving one was usually putting the whole thing down in sentences. Unfortunately, my memory when I sat down at home would then not bring back that perfect prose. So, start again. Sometimes the restart was ok, but often that first unwritten ‘edition’, was I thought always better. Who knows? As for your check-in chats – that would affect me and annoy me like a nag, I suspect, and my answer would always be…soon…
    As for when it was time to quit – I would start thinking about recipes, and off to the kitchen I went. There was no more left to mine after that. Darlene, my other person on the paper, would often say “Are you in the kitchen, yet?”

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    1. Ha - if I was part of that check-in group, I'd get competitive and try to beat Jenn, which would never happen!

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    2. I think I have oppositional defiance disorder, because my first unfiltered response to someone else saying "have X done by Y" is to go, "You're not the boss of me!"

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  11. Annette, I love the mental picture of you working for confetti!

    Man, I work well under pressure, but THAT kind of sudden death pressure would be a nightmare! It doesn't exactly fall under the heading of self-care, does it?

    Deadlines are usually enough to compel me to act. The annual community garden tour is June 8 this year, and I've been working steadily to prepare for it. Last year I was getting anxious and I finally realized that no one else knew my timeline of goals but me, so I would be the only one who knew whether I'd met them or not. That helped me relax and enjoy the day. My one anxiety this year, one I have no control over, is whether or not my mulch delivery will happen in time. Or at all.

    Also, we have had more than average rain, and naturally, it's going to be dry this coming week while we are away. (Wo)Man plans, and God laughs.

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    1. I really wanted to get a load of mulch on the front gardens right after Hugh cleaned them up last week. It didn't happen, and now I'll be away for the next week, too. I'm sure when I get back from the Cape full beds of weeds will greet me!

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    2. Karen, off the productivity topic by on point for gardens, last week my daughter-in-law took a staycation and spent most of her time starting a brand new garden at their house. When I texted her asking how it was going, she said, "I love my wife so much. Every day she comes home with compost and mulch." :-)

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  13. When I can't sleep, I listen to one of your audio books!

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  14. Off topic here Julia, but I just had to let you and everyone else know that there is a Goodreads giveaway for At Midnight Comes the Cry. I am so excited! Apparently non-winners will have to wait until November 18, which feels very long away.

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    1. Oh, thank you, Judi! I must have gotten an email about it, but I haven't put anything up on my social media. I'll do that now!

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  15. Ugh, those apps sounds horrible. It's such a capitalist idea to always want to increase productivity. I'm hard on myself when I don't get everything done, but often the time was spent connecting with others or being out in nature. Life has a way of making us jump off the productivity train occasionally--my brother in law is having surgery today and I'm just going to be at the hospital with my twin. See you later, to-do list!

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    1. Gillian, I do wonder how much the craze for productivity and the modern "grind culture" is driven by the need to feel some control and certainty in a world that feels uncertain and overpowering.

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  16. No apps that eat words.

    Writing - or doing anything - at 3 or 4am? No thanks. I'm already dreading a work trip I have to take in June to Salt Lake City. Last year, my body woke up at 5am thinking it was 7 and refused to go back to sleep so I went to the workout room. That was bad enough.

    I just know that between 12 and 1pm is writing time and I do it. And Hallie is absolutely right - editing totally counts!

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    1. Not just editing, Liz - I maintain researching, noodling ideas, and outlining all count as well!

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  17. I could never write with a punitive app hovering by. It would be instant writers block for me. I like the Reds encouragement group some you mentioned, keeping count and supporting, etc.

    Before I retired from teaching, it wasn't unusual for me to wake around 3 a.m. and think of additional aspects to make a lesson more interesting the next day. After retirement, I still would wake from time to time. But I never was able to turn that into writing except for the occasional poem and maybe a one-line insight into a story I was working on.

    Margaret, I love Heather Cox Richardson's posts!

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    1. Another HCR fan! Elizabeth, I as the wife of a teacher and the mother of three, I woke up at 5:30am for DECADES. Now I live alone and I work for myself and one of the great pleasures of my life is finally getting all the sleep I need.

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  18. Well one thing's clear... we all respond better to POSITIVE rather than negative reinforcement . That's something I learned when I was teaching third grade. And it's what animal trainers tell you. And we are, after all, animals.

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    1. Clearly there's a business idea in delivering treats to writers who have met their word goals for the day, Hallie! "Good author, here's your cookie."

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  19. It's been a long time since I had writing deadlines. Graduate school.
    Having your writing disappear because you pause is a nightmarish idea. Diabolical! Blogger has "disappeared" some of our contributions to JRW, and that is frustrating enough. Once, it deleted my lenghty list of books and audiobooks on What we are Reading Day. I almost cried, especially when Lucy assured me that it was really-truly gone.
    I guess I should schedule a dinner party. That would motivate me to clear out the dining room!

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    1. Judy, we used to have at two-three large dinner parties each year, and I have to say, it's EXCELLENT motivation for cleaning up your house's public spaces. Since Covid, I've definitely lost my shine a bit...

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  20. No hacks of any kind. If I’m up at 3am, then I read jungle red writers blog and comment here. I set a goal of writing every morning while sipping coffee.

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    1. I suspect for a lot of morning writers, that first cup of coffee or tea is the reward, Diana!

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  21. Do not threaten me and expect me to fall in line. That's all I've got to say about punishing me for stopping to think or look something up or review where I'm at to see where I need to go in a WIP! And while I often wake up at 3 a.m., I'm managing my anxiety better. I either go back to sleep or read until I can--that's why that stack of books is next to my bed! As for setting word goals and sticking with them, this is where I could use some help--it's my imposter syndrome and the negative comments it whispers in my ear that holds me back. I'm working on that, too!

    And Heather Cox Richardson for the win! Especially this morning.

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    1. Flora, I'm a big fan of everyone trying to access their child-mind when it comes to creativity. When we're young, we write and draw and squish clay for the joy of it, and it's only as we grow up that The Editor and The Critic come to sit on our shoulders like the bad version of Odin's ravens.

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  22. I agree with Hallie and the rest of you. I respond better to carrots--or confetti--than sticks. The hardest thing for me is getting started. Once I start writing I can usually keep going. That doesn't say anything about the quality of the product, though!

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    1. I've found Hank's timer approach helpful for this, Kim, because getting out of 'park,' as it were, it hard for me as well. I'll tell Alexa to set a time for an hour and tell myself at the end, I get to quit if I want to. I almost never do, but knowing there's a limit works for my brain.

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  23. I’m presenting a workshop in two weeks—How to Finish Your Novel, aimed at writers who’ve been plugging for a long time and can’t seem to finish. So I have collected a bunch of techniques and strategies, but Write or Die gives me palpitations, and I haven’t even tried it! Sometimes a book is like making a friendship bracelet, I think—-a whole bunch of tiny steps that result in something lovely. But mostly is developing habits, having some accountability friends, and—oh, dear—outlining.
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    1. I like the idea of a book as a friendship bracelet of all the bits and pieces that work for the writer, Nancy!

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  24. What! Permanently delete your words. Oh, no. That's not a productivity app, that's pure sadism. Back in the day when I worked a full-time job, I did get up at 3AM. It worked for me. These days it's word count charts and two calendars with one for wanna/gotta do, the other for done-yea!

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  25. My son-in-law has created a new search engine that has a feature I love. You set up a timer and name a session, in my case, "Budapest trip." If I were to stray from tourist sites and train reservations, a pair of googly eyes pop up with a message "Are you sure this is related to Budapest trip?" It's very effective in a passive aggressive way, although I do love my research rabbit holes.

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    1. Mary, your son in law could make a fortune with that! I'm always falling down those rabbit holes, and a friendly pair of googly eyes gently steering me back on course would be so useful.

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  26. The thought of anything “eating” my words, even if it’s only a to do list, makes my palms sweat. No thank you. I also don’t like being nudged along so think I would just have to set my own goals. I’m not great at keeping them, but realize I only have myself to blame. I like Kim’s motto “carrots over sticks” - though I am pretty sure mine would be chocolate chip cookies over carrots…. — Pat S

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