DEBORAH CROMBIE: We talk a lot in writing/reading circles about panster vs. plotter, as if these two approaches to writing were entirely separate. "Panster" meaning you have no idea what a book is going to be about when you start to write, "plotter" meaning you have a structured outline for everything that's going to happen before you put a word on the page.
But I strongly suspect that for most of us, however we describe ourselves, it's much more of an evolving spectrum. I may call myself a "plotter" but that mostly means I like to have a little "basic capsule," "who-why-when-where," for the actual crime. That gives me something to contruct the rest of the story around.
Then, for example, I begin to add ideas, as in the book-in-progress, Kincaid/James #20:
"Gemma has a challenging new job at a troubled police station" +
"I don't know much about London's canals but wouldn't it be fun to set a book there/Little Venice," +
"The Thames west of London/history/houseboats," +
"Family stuff/new nanny, etc.," +
"Melody plotline," +
"Backstory plotline," +
Etc., etc.
Those were some of the initial building blocks. But those concepts don't tell me how they are all going to fit together, and especially not how my detectives are going to figure it all out by the end. From there I usually do a very rough scene-by-scene outline of a few chapters at a time. Any more than that and I know that what I thought was going to happen will have squirmed all out of shape.
Also, none of this "planning" stuff means that a new thing can't suddenly appear and whack me upside the head, which has happened over the course of the last half a dozen chapters!
My math tells me that this book is now almost 90,000 words, which means I had better figure out what happens between here and THE END. ASAP. And that means back to the outline drawing board.
And in case you're wondering where Duncan is in all this, he's very much in help and support mode, and has his own connection to the case.
Here's a little snippet I wrote earlier this week of (spoiler-free) Duncan and Gemma, in a little interlude at home.
Having finally settled the little ones, Gemma came back downstairs
to find the kitchen and the sitting room dark. Puzzled, she checked the study but
it was dark, too. Then a movement outside the patio French doors caught her eye.
Duncan stood just on the other side, his back to the house. At first, she thought
he was taking the dog out, but Geordie lay on his back on the sofa, paws in the
air and the lighter fur on his belly gleaming in the dim illumination from the small
lamp on the bookshelf. Tess and the cats were upstairs with the children.
Duncan must have heard her because he turned and eased the door
open as she came up to it. “Shh,” he said. “Don’t let the dog out.”
Gemma slipped out to stand beside him. “Wait,” he whispered,
his breath tickling her ear. So, she stood, barely breathing, and he slipped his
fingers through hers.
A low iron railing separated their small flagged patio from
the expanse of the communal garden, where its rolling grass, kept cut short, was
dotted with large trees. The moon was almost full and as her eyes adjusted, the
unshaded grass looked silvery against the deep, dark patches beneath the trees.
And then she saw it, movement, a flitting shape, and then another.
Cats? No, their bodies were too large, she realized, the muzzles too long, the ears
too big. The tails were wrong as well, too bushy for cats.
They were foxes, and they were playing, chasing one another,
then rolling and tumbling in the grass, then jumping back up to start all over again.
Watching, enchanted, Gemma thought suddenly of Karo Fox’s little
cottage and the array of fox prints on the sitting room’s walls. Were there foxes
on Eel Pie Island, she wondered? And would they know they’d be welcomed in Karo
Fox’s garden?
She gave a shiver as the cooler night air began to penetrate
the thin fabric of her t-shirt and Duncan let go her hand to put his arm round her.
“Come on,” he said softly. “Let’s leave them to it, shall we?”
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Dear readers, are you a planner or a pantster in real life, or do you wobble somewhere in between?
This is such a sweet Gemma and Duncan moment . . . thanks for sharing it with us.
ReplyDeleteNeither a panster nor a planner in real life . . . definitely wobbling somewhere in between . . . .
Thank you, Joan. And I am definitely a fellow wobbler.
DeleteAwww, that is a sweet scene with Gemma, Duncan & the foxes!
ReplyDeleteOMG, I was totally a planner at work with Environment Canada. I spent 20+ years working on 6-8 climate change research projects/year. Each project had a different research team and different milestones/deadlines we had to achieve (to get our external funding) so I had multiple calendars. And my last job in Ottawa was as strategic planner for a directorate of 900 staff working in 24/7 water/weather operations so it was PLANNING TO THE MAX!
Grace, I am always astounded at your descriptions of your job!
DeleteWhat a beautiful scene. Magical.
ReplyDeleteBasically, I'm a panster with occasional mini plotting to figure out what happens next.
Ha, Elizabeth, that sounds pretty good to me!
DeleteI love this scene, Debs. I am more of a pantser than a platter, but I usually plan out a few scenes ahead, as you described. And I do have a vague mission of where we're going, but that can change, as we all know! I am so looking forward to this new book of yours.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Edith!! I think we all at least have to have a vague idea, or a concept, even if we cobble together as we go.
DeleteI am detail oriented so in some respects that makes me a plotter. Over the years I have learned to go more with the flow, but I still like structure and schedules. If there is a best of both worlds….like plantser….I am probably that.
ReplyDeleteI love structure and lists and schedules, too. My problem is that I make them and then have trouble sticking to them! And I think "planster" is a perfect description!
DeleteLovely Debs, and that's a lovely description of exactly how you write! Definitely a planner in life, though less so in writing.
ReplyDeleteI know you are, Roberta, and I wish I was half as efficient!
DeleteI love that scene, Debs. Duncan has a tender, loving side to him that makes him irresistible and my number one book boyfriend! When you created his family and back story early in the series, you clearly demonstrated where that loving softness came from. He is like that with the kids, too. Thanks for sharing this beautiful scene.
ReplyDeleteAs for your question, plotting hasn't worked. "Man plans, G-d laughs." I still plan some things, like making a list before going to the store, or planning a vacation. But we all know that some things are out of our hands. I am a plotter at heart, a pantser by necessity.
Judy, I was just thinking about Duncan's family. I love Hugh and Rosemary and would love to work them into another book. It's hard to hold on to all the threads of this book universe!
DeleteI love the snippet between Gemma and Duncan. I can definitely visualize the scene. Thank you for sharing. I'm a planner/plotter. I need to know what we are going to do and where and so forth.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Dru! I suspected you were a planner/plotter. You're so organized with your blog.
DeleteLove the foxes! We occasionally have them in our yard, romping in circles. I just discovered a new garden to visit in London: the Southbank Centre rooftop garden.
ReplyDeleteI'm a pantser who has learned the hard way to have a road map of the plot, even if it's four tentpoles marking the major points. True pantsing takes too much time.
That's a great description, Margaret--"four tentpoles marking the major point." I'll be that works for most of us.
DeleteOh Debs, what a lovely scene. I think foxes are magical. And I can hardly wait for Kincaid/James #20! I am probably, mostly a pantser in life. I love making numbered lists but ai almost never follow them…
ReplyDeleteHa, Suzette. I love making lists and plans. But then I get busy or something unexpected happens and it all goes out the window....
DeleteVery sweet! In a very different climate, my friend in Arizona has a family of foxes that have raised their young in her yard a couple of times. I'm a wobbler, not really organized enough to be a true plotter/planner. The pantser idea makes me anxious.
ReplyDeleteOh, maybe they will make friends with their foxes:-) Actually, urban foxes in London are very common. Once when I was staying in a basement flat in Notting Hill, I walked out into the tiny garden before bed and there was a fox staring down at me from the top of the wall. They are quite magical and you can see why they feature in myths in so many cultures.
DeleteEnchanting scene, this is what I love about your books--giving your characters a life outside the crime being solved. As always, the wait will be hard, but well worth it!
ReplyDeleteI'm usually a pantser in terms of writing. The exception is the novella I'm writing at the moment. This little book is a fictionalized telling of a family story, so I always knew who, what, where, and when. The why is the biggest mystery. So I had a general outline of the necessary chapters before I sat down to write. You might say the bones were there, and I've created the muscles and organs to give it life and hopefully sent the blood coursing through those veins to give it a beating heart that will do justice to the story. In terms of my daily life, I have to work around other demands on my time, so like to have details planned out.
Flora, above.
DeleteIt's so lovely how we recognize each other here. I knew that was you immediately, Flora, without you signing in! And I loved your analogy for your novella.
DeleteDEBS: I love that cozy scene with the dog sleeping on the sofa. Such a tender moment between Gemma and Duncan. The book cover looks great - I can read the title with the dark background.
ReplyDeleteFunny question that I am thinking at the moment....
How do you find the time to go shopping for food and write books? I am thinking of everything I need to do today and thinking "how do I find the time to write?"
Diana, that is the perpetual question! It's a constant battle to keep the domestic stuff from taking up too much of my writing time. I try to combine errands, and except for Trader Joe's I use a delivery service for most of my grocery shopping.
DeleteThank you.
DeleteLove this excerpt, Debs! I have a life plan, but a plan is just a theory that must adapt to what is actually unfolding...
ReplyDeleteExactly, Amanda!
DeleteIt occurred to me when I woke up this morning that this post needed a photo of a fox, so I popped one in!
ReplyDeleteLovey scene. Looking forward to release day. As for me, I'm more pantser than plotter.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Kait!
DeleteI love how you create magical little scenes like this. They take your books way beyond police procedurals!
ReplyDeleteThank you, dear Rhys! And those little scenes are more fun to write than the police parts--or at least easier!
DeleteI've heard so much about the foxes roaming London but have never seen them when I'm there--not even in Hyde Park. Thanks for bringing them to life, Debs! Keep on going. As Rumi says, "Start walking and the path will appear."
ReplyDeleteThanks, Jenn! Last winter there was a heavy snow in Oxford and several people posted videos of foxes frolicking--in the middle of the day!-- in one of the quads. It was absolutely magical!
DeleteWhat a wonderful preview of coming delights, Debs. I am looking forward to being back with my dear friends Duncan and Gemma and their children and friends. As for me, I'm a strict planner of my life (not that my plans always work, but I keep trying) and very much like you in the way I write my books--planning some, writing some, changing the plan and taking a new tack in the writing for a while, stopping to plan again, etc. I think I'd adopt the illustrious title of wobbler!
ReplyDelete"We should form a society of "Illustrious Wobblers," Kim!! And I would guess that about your writing because your books feel very structurally familar to me.
DeleteI'm not one to just decide to hop into the car a take a road trip up the coast. I'd love to do it but fear the outcome if I get stuck someplace with no place to sleep. Should I have taken my sleeping bag and pillow? Wait! I do take a pillow when I drive to see my sister, and a blanket in Oregon. The pantser part would be where I stop to eat along the way. I'm trying to learn to be more of a plotter now that I'm retired but I'm only on week three, so I have a long way to go.
ReplyDeleteHurry up and finish. I want to see what happens next.
On my second trip to England, years ago, I went alone and with no reservations. I had a bus pass and criss-crossed the country wherever my whim took me, staying in B&Bs. It was such a tremendous experience, but I'd never have the nerve to do it now.
DeleteLove the snippet, Debs! No pressure, but we’re all eagerly awaiting an update on Duncan and Gemma’s lives. To paraphrase what Rhys said, we care as much about their home life as we do about the crime (s) they’ll be solving.
ReplyDeleteI’m a pantser and have been my entire life. That’s not a boast because plotting would have helped me many times. (I am very organized when I travel, though, making itineraries and always have reservations, etc.) I am trying to remember to make lists for all of my to dos, but it’s not instinctual. Sigh… — Pat S
Good timing for this post, Debs, because I'm right at the beginning of plotting out my next Orchid Isle mystery. I love your list of ideas for your book, because it sounds a lot like what I've been doing and thus gives me confidence that I'm on the right route. :) Love the foxes!
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty much a pantser with a few appointments thrown in for me to work around. Folks ask what are you doing this afternoon? I tell them I'm getting in the car and seeing where it goes. I literally have "planned" to go one place and found myself somewhere else. When that happens, the somewhere else is exactly what it should have done in the first place. Basically, follow my intuition no matter how weird it seems. Makes for a fun life and makes my friends crazy because most of them are extreme plotters! -- Victoria
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