Saturday, June 7, 2025

Down The Rabbit Hole We Go!



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HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: It’s from Alice in Wonderland, isn’t it? That we go “down the rabbit hole” into research? How many of us have visited there?

And –how many of us can get out? That may be the better question. Why does every answer lead to another question?

Because–because we are lucky.

And here is Kate Woodworth with her own particularly unusual adventures.  And she speaks for us all! Who but a writer could have such a fabulous and hilarious journey?



Once You Were Normal. Now You Write Fiction


By Kate Woodworth

You know how it goes: You’re struggling with a line of dialogue and a thought rushes past, holding a stopwatch and muttering “I’m late! Deadline!” Next thing you know, you’re down the rabbit hole, telling yourself that research is necessary. Are there chestnut trees on Maine islands? What about skunks? How do zoning issues get resolved in small towns? What’s a swimmeret?

You are now deep in Tunnel One. The original question has disappeared. The ticking of the deadline clock is no longer audible. Instead, you hear the murmuring of future readers growing louder. They are wearing deerstalker hats and looking for your missteps with high-power magnifying lenses. You should quit researching. Get back to work!

For motivation, you show some pages to a trusted friend, hoping for an enthusiastic, “It’s GREAT! Don’t spend time researching! Just write!” Instead, you get: “I don’t believe your main character knows anything about farming.” Unsurprising because, of course, you don’t know anything about farming. No more internet research. It’s time to talk to experts.

Suddenly, you’re in a world that resembles the real one, except that strangers are willing to answer random questions simply because you have identified yourself as a writer. All those years trying to amass education and experience so as to appear credible in the working world, and now all you need to tell people is that you like to make up stories and they’ll explain how to trim a goat’s hooves and all the ways a tomato crop can fail.

Some things—like birth—are hard to witness unless you live on a farm, and so hours are lost watching lambs being delivered on YouTube. Others—like lobster courtship and mating—are so surprisingly fascinating that you find your friends backing away, unwilling to listen yet again to your nattering about the convenience of sperm packets that can be stored for a year or more.

By now, you’re essentially living in the research rabbit hole.

Sometimes your body is present, doing the required life things. But in your head, you are finding unexplored…important unexplored…tunnels. Why, exactly, is the Gulf of Maine warming faster than almost every other body of water on the planet? Do lobsters have lips? Scampering wildly from question to question, you run headfirst into someone who lives the life you’ve given your character: an actual lobsterman. Retreat!

You cold call unintimidating pseudo-experts, like captains who take tourists out for an “authentic lobster cruise”. You elbow aside a honeymooning couple from Colorado and a seventh grader with an essay due. You screen out your spouse’s murmured apologies.

“Research,” he says, by way of explanation, perhaps hoping to convince others you’re a scientist.

You ace the quiz on how to sex a lobster (it’s all about the swimmerets). Your hand is first in the air when your guide captain for volunteers to hold a lobster. When he asks, “Who wants to kiss a lobster?” you don’t hesitate. You pucker up. Dozens of cameras click. You wonder about kissing another “man” in front of your husband but decide it doesn’t matter. You didn’t kiss the lobster on its lips (too close to those claws!) and, besides, it’s research.

What’s the strangest thing you’ve done as part of researching your book?


HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: I am still laughing about “I don’t believe your main character knows anything about farming.” That’s SO perfect.

So yeah, what’s the strangest thing you’ve done as research–or, how about this, what’s a cool thing you learned when you were looking for something else?

OR–tell us the first thing in your search history right now. Mine is: "Do chipmunks eat rat poison?” SO important!

AND: Whoa. Look at Kate's book cover below. Isn't it gorgeous?



About the Author

Kate Woodworth is the author of Little Great Island, a novel about the power of love and community in the face of climate change on a small Maine island, and of the monthly Substack, Food in the Time of Climate Change…which gives her plenty of reasons to wander the research rabbit hole. For more, visit katewoodworth.com.




About Little Great Island


On Little Great Island, climate change is disrupting both life and love

After offending the powerful pastor of a cult, Mari McGavin has to flee with her six-year-old son. With no money and no place else to go, she returns to the tiny Maine island where she grew up—a place she swore she’d never see again. There Mari runs into her lifelong friend Harry Richardson, one of the island’s summer residents, now back himself to sell his family’s summer home. Mari and Harry’s lives intertwine once again, setting off a chain of events as unexpected and life altering as the shifts in climate affecting the whole ecosystem of the island…from generations of fishing families to the lobsters and the butterflies.

Little Great Island Illustrates in microcosm the greatest changes of our time and the unyielding power of love.

Buy the book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/little-great-island-kate-woodworth/21515752?ean=9781960573902&next=t






51 comments:

  1. This is so true, Kate . . . one search leads to another leads to another and pretty soon you've vanished down that rabbit hole.
    Congratulations on your new book . . . "Little Great Island" sounds like an amazing story; I'm looking forward to meeting Mari . . . .

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    1. Hank Phillippi RyanJune 7, 2025 at 1:00 AM

      And isn’t the cover gorgeous?

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    2. Thank you so much, Joan. Mari was a very interesting character for me to get to know. In early drafts, she was cowed by her experience at God's Bounty, but I knew I wanted a strong female protagonist. I was lucky enough to be able to interview some woman farmers in Maine who taught me a lot about sustainable farming,

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  2. Kate, the original question can disappear when going through the rabbit hole. Sometimes many times in my life when I discover something cool while looking for something else. I discover new to me books while looking for a certain book in the bookshop.

    Diana

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    1. Absolutely! I start looking and then I forget why I started!

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    2. I strongly believe that there's no such thing as wasted time when researching. Everything we learn expands who we are and how we understand life. And isn't it fun to be able to just follow your own curiosity and see where it leads?

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    3. Hi Diana: I responded anonymously earlier, but I just wanted to let you know that every moment spent in a bookshop increases your happiness and probably lifespan. I haven't found the scientific data to back up that second assertion, but it seems like it should be true.

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  3. KATE: Thanks for those amusing lobster facts. They are now stuck in my head, lol.

    As a retired climate change researcher, I am intrigued about how climate change impacts plays a role in your book! And yes, I went down the rabbit hole many times at wotk, snd now for fun.

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    1. I know! The lobster facts. Now we will never forget!

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    2. Writing climate fiction is tricky because fiction is not - and should never be - a soapbox. My overall goal was to use light "brushstrokes" and also to write a story that takes place in the here and now because environmental instability does cause cataclysmic events...but it is also insidious, changing our planet day by day. In Little Great Island, I use the fact that the waters in the Gulf of Maine are warming faster than nearly every other body of water on the planet combined with a history of fishery collapse (cod, for example) to tell a story in which the community that relies on the lobster fishery recognizes they need a new economy. The future status of the Maine lobster fishery is debated and there are many factors involved in how things will pan out. However, it's clear that the lobster have all but disappeared from southern New England waters and that they need a particular temperature range to survive. The average catch over the last ten years is lower than the previous decades, and the lifetime lobstermen I've spoken with see a marked change in both the size and number of the lobster they catch.

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    3. Hi, Grace. That was me responding anonymously previously.

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    4. KATE: Yes, the lobsters are moving north to cooler waters. Similar cc impacts to what is happening with fisheries in the Canadian Maritimes.

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  4. I love this post! Congratulations on the new book, Kate. I'm intrigued by the story and by your island. I have fond memories of visiting Great Gott's Island in Maine several times with a boyfriend at his family's unfancy summer place decades ago (water pump in the kitchen and a doorless double outhouse facing the water). There's also Little Gott's Island nearby.

    I'm currently trying to postpone the following research rabbit holes so I can finish banging out the current first draft: distance from Providence to Provincetown, a high-end bike model, what Mashpee's downtown looks like, parrot food treats, "uncle" in Dutch, adoption birth certificates, and more - you know, the usual!

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    1. Oh dear...and we going to go down the potty rabbit hole? I remember being "on the island" (North Haven) in the late 60s. Sewage from the yacht club was flushed into the water below. As a novice sailer, I'd managed to get my boat stuck on the shore, and the only way out was to climb out into the water. NOT a good moment. I'm currently working on a substack article on compositing, which involved going down the research rabbit hold to learn about fertilization techniques throughout history. Oddly, research is ALWAYS great. However, I applaud your commitment to finishing your draft. Leave a "breadcrumb" (or comment) in your mss for where more research is needed, and then treat yourself to time in the rabbit when you have finished your draft.

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    2. That's what I've been doing for years! If the research isn't going to change the direction of the story, I leave the note or question in square brackets and move on, which is how I searched for the bits I mentioned in my original comment! Looking for left square bracket is always my first revision pass after I finish the rough first draft. (I'm also a home composter since my college days fifty years ago!)

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  5. The most recent thing I googled is “What is a Burger King Dragon burger?” after I saw it advertised on their sign when we drove by.
    I do sometimes look things up as I am reading a fiction book to see if they are accurate and that often does lead me down a rabbit hole. Also things I see on social media. I am surprised at seemingly intelligent people who take all things at face value. My husband will post made up things just to get a rise out of others who believe him.
    I like your in-person research experiences! I doubt I will ever kiss a lobster.

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    1. Your husband is a true troublemaker! And yes, you are SO right. I am shocked every day at the things people stalwartly believe.

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    2. It's been fascinating to me, as a woman of a certain age, to see how concepts like "truth" and "reality" have become subjective. In fact, it's one of the themes I wanted to explore in Little Great Island. Each character has his or her own emotional truth and sense of what's "real" in terms of how critical the situation is and what needs to be done. I didn't want a right/wrong or bad/good dynamic, neither did I want a summer visitors vs. year-round residents story. What was more interesting to me was finding a way for each character to have a defensible "truth/reality" (which essentially leads to chaos) and then to find a solution that made sense within the context of the story.

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  6. Kate, congratulations on your new book. The cover is fabulous and I love the topic. I worry about the people who make a living producing and providing our food because our changing climate affects them the most. And then there are people like me who find that the cost of coffee has increased by 50% in 2 years and Hershey's cocoa is unavailable. Gone from the shelves. Why? A huge outfit like that? Their production line has been disrupted at the source. Terrifying.
    When it comes to rabbit holes, I know where they are and avoid them. But sometimes, I still will read a dozen chocolate cake recipes before I decide which one to bake.

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    1. Oh, I love that, Judy--comparing recipes and then understanding why things work and even concocting your own from the combinations!

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    2. Yah, OW on the price of chocolate and coffee. I became fascinated with what the farmers and fishermen working at the intersection of our food and our planet were experiencing and built myself a grand excuse for spending time in the research rabbit hole: a monthly Substack called Food in the Time of Climate Change. It's free, so please check it out. Some stories I've heard from the front lines are absolutely terrifying. The chances of many of the world's "breadbaskets" collapsing simultaneously, for example, are increasing, and that sort of collapse will lead to massive world starvation. And then I read about the better news: farmers and scientists who are developing food crops that are more able to sustain highly variable weather conditions. Food composting, which reduces the methane gas produced by rotting food in landfills and creates opportunities to enrich depleted foil. Please consider doing what you can to help protect the planet's future. And please send me chocolate!!!

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  7. Wonderful post Kate, thanks for visiting! I think you've pretty much described all writers and I am determined today to write without research:)

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    1. Well, you still have the real Paris in your head! xx

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    2. Thank you for reading and commenting, Lucy! I'm realizing as I read these comments that we aren't talking much about the sort of research that involves talking with total strangers. Google searches (and good old-fashioned library searches) are awesome, but I've also discoverd that I love jumping into people's lives and asking them about themselves. For my paying career, I was a medical writer and frequently spoke with research scientists, practicing physicians, people with scary diagnoses, and their families about what their lives. Now I get to ask fisherman and farmers questions. And I get to talk with owners of food compost companies and food foragers. It's a blast to get to know my fellow humans in this way....and I can disappear for days at a time.

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    3. And they must be so full of delight that you are intersted!

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    4. KATE: That is so true. I interviewed farmers and agricultural experts about drought impacts and water shortage and water quality issues in focus groups and one-on-one interviews. It was the fun (and frustrating) part of my climate change research prpjects.

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  8. Your post was so fun and your book looks amazing. It's easy to spend time on line going from topic to topic for sure. The most recent thing I searched for was "yo yo tricks" as I worked on the Strands puzzle yesterday.

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    1. Yo-Yo Tricks! I think all I know is walk the dog....

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    2. I love the idea of researching yo-yo tricks! I bet there are some great YouTube videos. Huh. There goes my afternoon!

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    3. So that’s what the theme was yesterday!! I was trying for balloons, etc.! — Pat S

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  9. What a fascinating and fun post! I suspect I shall see lobsters kissing humans and other lobsters in my dreams. I have taken a dive into many research rabbit holes, but find of late that I am experiencing multiple Pentatonix music rabbit holes. I suspect they are a coping mechanism in these trying times. Music heals my soul so I shall take your lobster kissing experience with me the next time I dive into the Pentatonix rabbit hole! Blessings to you! -- Victoria

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    1. That's a lovely rabbit hole! I fall into Broadway musicals sometimes, I have to admit..

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    2. Please send me in invite to your rabbit hole! I definitely want to visit.

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    3. COnsider yourself invited in perpetuity!

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  10. To me, lobsters just aren't sexy enough to compel kissing, but to each her own. Haha.

    I quit saving my search histories a long time ago, but I look up a lot of plants (garden tour is TOMORROW, wish me luck!), and a lot of actors from shows we watch in the evenings. I've found myself pausing a program for so long the screensaver takes over the TV, because one thing leads to another--which other shows? How old are they, that can't be right. What about their costar is that other show? Oh, they're married to so and so! I didn't know that! Then I've totally forgotten what was happening in the program I'm watching, so have to go back X amount of time to catch up.

    Yes, that cover is gorgeous! And very different, so it will stand out on stack tables in the bookstore, Kate. And I'm intrigued by your Be the Butterfly initiative and have subscribed to your Substack. Thank you!!!

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    1. Good luck on garden tour! Cannot wait to hear all about it!

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    2. Karen, you get an honorary degree in Rabbit Hole Research! I love my cover, and love that it's from a painting by a Maine artist, William Hallett. I have some very talented friends who sew and, with the artist's permission, they have created me two pieces of clothing based on my cover.

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    3. Karen, good luck on the Garden Tour! And I do exactly the same thing when I watch anything ever since I discovered IMDB eons ago. Drives my husband crazy! (“Did you know that those two were married when they were in this show but later got divorced. Oh, that’s sad.” Meanwhile, my husband is saying, “Can we just watch the show before I fall asleep?”)
      And Kate, that’s so cool that your talented friends did that for you! — Pat S

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  11. Congrats on your latest!

    My most recent searches include the classifications for the Vietnam draft (1A, 2S, 4F, etc) and venomous snakes in northern Virginia.

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    1. I am very intrigued by your rsearch rabbit hole. Is this for a novel? I've been in that venomous snake rabbit hole - needed a snake for the "prayer shed" in Little Great Island. Make sure to bring a high-power flashlight and watch where you step.

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  12. I'm in! This post is hilarious, Kate, and now you have a fan for life. For me, the deepest research hole I went into was trying on hats in a posh designer millinery shop in Kensington. The ladies were lovely and we're still in touch -- should be given that I spent an ungodly sum on a hat. LOL.

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    1. You never know when you are going to need a good hat!

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  13. I was laughing so hard as I read this, Kate! I can't think of anything weird I've done for research other than tramping around in the woods in Washington County, NY, which is hardly odd. In fact, I try to AVOID topics which will require a lot of research because, after getting three degrees, I like it TOO much. It would be all too easy for me to spend day after day in the rabbit holes, and never get words on paper.

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  14. If you didn't kiss the lobster on its lips (big disappointment for him) what did you kiss? Did he kiss back? Asking for a friend.

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  15. The big unanswered question is DO lobsters have lips?
    I was waiting for a bus and was watching people walking their dogs. I noticed the dogs’ tails and how they differed from one another in size, shape, etc.
    I then started to think about other animals and their tails. Do they all serve the same purpose?
    A cow may use theirs to keep flys away, but how about an elephant or a turtle. Why is the fox’s
    so different? Humans have vestigial ones in a tailbone which serves no purpose now, but did it at one time?
    Scientific research is frequently about rabbit holes. A drug may be produced to treat a specific illness and is found to be effective for something completely different and unexpected and the research may go in another direction. That is how ‘off label’ drugs wind up being used.
    Penicillin was an accident that evolved into an antibiotic because someone said what if…
    It’s called intellectual curiosity and is responsible for a lot of the treatments available for a variety of medical conditions and scientific advances.



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  16. Kate, your book sounds very interesting. I was a History major so doing research was a part of my college life. (One time I got to go to Bancroft Library at UC Berkeley and hold letters written by Father Junipero Serra! That rabbit hole was pretty shallow because I was trying to translate from Spanish which was very difficult. But I was still thrilled!)

    Nowadays my rabbit holes are of the Google type. When I am reading and a new-to-me place is mentioned, I go on Google Maps and then I’m gone for at least half an hour!

    Best of luck with your book! — Pat S

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